[Global 1940] 2nd Revised Setup For France

@FranceNeedsMorePower

There’ve been many country-specific national advantages proposed over the years (many historically based). A great place to start is The Captain’s House Rules Expansion (I don’t find his implementation of many of the rules completely accurate, but he has some really good ideas):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SRDOsOwlO4Aa13cULwkWrorrXEmCmiN-/view

Specifically, there are some great Soviet ones in those rules.

@the-captain said in Axis & Allies Global 1940 2nd. House Rules Expansion:

…Some players in our play groups have used online TripleA since september 2020.

We have created a House Rules Basic Expansion - and I believe these rules are implemented in TripleA online. …

Would you ask them to post the file ? I couldn’t find it on map DLs. I’m reading through everything again and while edit will be required for some of the rules, I think it can get close to 90-95%. Maybe 80% edit free.

At any rate, I’m gonna take a crack at it.

@90cent
makes em a little too strong is my guess. Axis already have the edge

@Mr-Kell Ah yes they do but you can’t get the infantry to Paris before Germany can but you can get the fighter so that adds on defense. If you pay attention to what I set up, it’s still pretty damn favorable for Germany, it just has to bring in the airforce to make it a victory.

Do you have any pictures of your board with all the different units?

Hi Erocco,
these numbers are based on a formula found during Classic time by Dauvio Vann and his friends, then improved and adjusted to better fit the need of Second Edition units. Here is one link in House Rule:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=40346.msg1684954#msg1684954

Below, you get the whole formula and a short explanation:

@Baron:

@Dauvio:

It came to my attention that one of my formulas are already out there that I discovered 30 years ago.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=185969 has also discovered the formula P^2*N=S
And just for fun you can try these formulas also. S/P^2=N. √(S/N)=P
P=POINTS
N=NUMBER OF UNITS
S=STRENGTH OF ONE KIND OF UNITS IN A TERRITORY
This formula should replace the punch formula. It is much better then the punch formula.

Now the next formula is (P100)/(C^26)=S
P=POINTS
C=COST
S=STRENGTH OF THE UNIT BASED ON COST
With this formula you can also price units according to their strength. √((P100)/(S6))=C
This formula is for points. (S*(C^2*6))/100=P

For better results for some of these formulas, have all your units cost ten times then what they are. These are some of the VANN FORMULAS I came up 30 years ago.

If you have any questions about these formulas, please ask.

I found how you can get the main part of Vann formula or Baron-Larrymarx according to a specific unit as benchmark.

I took the Fighter A3 D4 C10 and I wanted to convert into Tank A3 D3 C6 as benchmark (Baron-Larrymarx formula).

Then I saw what I did.

Power (of attacking Fighter): A3 * C6 (cost of Tank)/C10 (cost of Fg) * 1 Hit Point C6 (cost of Tank)/C10 (cost of Fg) = 1.08
You can reduce this equation because (cost of Tank)(cost of Tank)/ (cost of Fg)*(cost of Fg) is same to
(cost of Tank) IPCs^2 / (cost of Fg) IPCs^2 and give a simple ratio.

C6^2*A3/C10^2 = 1.08
36 squared IPCs 3 Power * 1 Hit /100 squared IPCs = 1.08 PowerHit Point

This explained what is hidden in Baron-Larrymarx formula:
Offence or defence strength factor= 36*Power/Cost^2.

The whole Enigma formula is
Refence unit Cost^2Power of the actual unit1 HP/Cost of the actual unit^2

So, the Basic offence or defence strength factor result (1.08, in this case) is express in Power*Hit Point
1^2*Power (of a given unit)*1 hit/Cost (of this same given unit)^2

And this formula can be adapt according to any benchmark, for instance a 1 IPC unit:
131 hit/10^2 = 0.300

And this is a very small number. That’s why Vann formula:
Strength= (Power100)/(Cost^26)

add an arbitrary 1001/6= 16.667…
So, 16.667131 hit/10^2 = 0.5
And this would provide the Fighter strength attack factor based on an hypothetical benchmark unit of √16.667 = 4.0825 IPCs.
A 5 IPCs revised Tank in Vann formula gives a Strength : 16.66731 hit/5^2 = 2.00 powerhit

Can you elaborate on the ship calculations?

Destroyer strength: .30144/8^2  = 0.675
Cruiser    strength: .60144/12^2= 0.600
Battleship strength: .701442.618/20^2 = 0.660

These numbers means that Destroyer is the most optimized unit for combat to buy for each IPC invested, then it is battleship and finally Cruiser.
Said otherwise, Cruiser is sub-optimal for the cost.
3 DDs C8 A3 D3 (A9 D9, 3 hits) will be stronger than 2 Cruisers C12 A6 D6 (A12 D12, 2 hits) if you can use a Battlecalc to test D10-sided values.

From stronger to weaker for 120 IPCs basis:
15 DDs A3 D3 (A45 D45)
6 BBs A7 D7 (A42 D42)
10 CAs A6 D6 (A60 D60)

Still testing.

Turn order is the same as the official 1942 setup:
USSR>Japan>USA>China>Germany>UKEurope/UKPacific>Italy>ANZAC>France

Japan still has all Kamikaze attacks available, All National Objectives included, Victory Conditions the same.

Soviet Union (26 IPCs):
Russia: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical, 2 AAA, 1 Major, 1 Airbase
Novgorod: 6 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 2 AAA, 1 Minor, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Volgograd: 2 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Mech., 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 2 AAA, 1 Minor
Karelia: 1 Infantry
Archangel: 2 Infantry
Vologda: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Tambov: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Caucasus: 2 Infantry
Samara: 2 Infantry
Kazakhstan: 2 Infantry
Urals: 2 Mechs, 2 Tanks, 1 Strategic
Novosibirsk: 4 Infantry, 2 AAA
Timguska: 2 Infantry
Evenkiyskiy: 1 Infantry
Yenisey: 2 Infantry
Yakut S.S.R.: 6 Infantry
Buryatia: 2 Infantry
Sakha: 2 Infantry
Amur: 2 Infantry
Siberia: 2 Infantry
Soviet Far East: 2 Infantry
Northwest Persia: 1 Control Marker
Sea Zone 115: 1 Submarine, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 127: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer

Japan (54 IPCs):
Japan: 5 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 2 Fighters, 2 Tacticals, 2 Strategics, 3 AAA, 1 Major, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Korea: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter
Okinawa: 1 Infantry
Iwo Jima: 1 Infantry
Caroline Islands: 1 Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Paulau Island: 1 Infantry
Formosa: 1 Fighter
Siam: 4 Infantry
Manchuria: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech, 1 AAA, 1 Control Marker
Jehol: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Control Marker
Shantung: 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
Anhwe: 4 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Kiangsu: 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
Kiangsi: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Control Marker
Kwangsi: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Control Marker
Yunnan: 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Control Marker
Kwangtung: 2 Infantry, 1 Seabase, 1 Control Marker
Shan State: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Control Marker
Malaya: 1 Figther, 1 Seabase, 1 Control Marker
Borneo: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Gilbert Islands: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Sumatra: 1 Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Control Marker
Java: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Celebes: 1 Control Marker
Dutch New Guinea: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
New Guinea: 1 Control Marker
New Britain: 1 Control Marker
Solomon Islands: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
French Indo China: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Philippines: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase, 1 Control Marker
Guam: 1 Airbase, 1 Control Marker
Wake Island: 1 Airbase, 1 Control Marker
Sea Zone 6: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical
Sea Zone 19: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 20: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 24: 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 33: 2 Submarines, 2 Destroyers, 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical
Sea Zone 37: 1 Battleship, 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical
Sea Zone 45: 1 Battleship

United States (52 IPCs):
Eastern United States: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 2 AAA, 1 Major, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Central United States: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 3 Mechs, 1 Tank, 1 Strategic, 1 Major
Western United States: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical, 2 AAA, 1 Major, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Alaska: 1 Infantry
Panama: 1 Infantry
Hawaiian Islands: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Fighters, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Midway: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Airbase
Brazil: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
United Kingdom: 1 Strategic
Sea Zone 10: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical
Sea Zone 25: 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical
Sea Zone 26: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 64: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 101: 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser

China (10 IPCs):
Chahar: 2 Infantry
Hopei: 1 Infantry
Shensi: 4 Infantry
Kweichow: 1 Infantry
Hunan: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter
Szechwan: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery

Germany (58 IPCs):
Germany: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Strategics, 3 AAA, 1 Major
Western Germany: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech, 2 Tanks, 2 Fighters, 1 Tactical, 3 AAA, 1 Major, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Greater Southern Germany: 4 Infantry
Hungary: 2 Mechs, 2 Tanks
Romania: 2 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Fighter
Poland: 1 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical
Denmark: 1 Infantry
Norway: 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 AAA
Holland Belgium: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Finland: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Control Marker
Bulgaria: 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
France: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Minor, 1 Airbase, 1 Control Marker
Normandy Bordeaux: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Minor, 1 Seabase, 1 Control Marker
Southern France: 1 Infantry, 1 Minor, 1 Seabase, 1 Control Marker
Morocco: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Algeria: 1 Infantry: 1 Control Marker
French West Africa: 1 Control Marker
Yugoslavia: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Baltic States: 3 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Control Marker
Eastern Poland: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Control Marker
Bessarabia: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Belarus: 4 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Western Ukraine: 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
Ukraine: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Tactical, 1 Minor, 1 Control Marker
Smolensk: 2 Infantry, 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
Bryansk: 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
Rostov: 2 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Control Marker
Vyborg: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Libya: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Sea Zone 87: 2 Submarines
Sea Zone 93: 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 103: 2 Submarines
Sea Zone 113: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 114: 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 118: 2 Submarines, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 125: 2 Submarines

United Kingdom (Europe Economy, 37 IPCs):
United Kingdom: 2 Infantry, 1 Mech, 3 Fighters, 1 Strategic, 4 AAA, 1 Major, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Scotland: 2 Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Airbase
Gibraltar: 1 Fighter, 1 AAA, 1 Seabase
Iceland: 1 Airbase
Quebec: 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Minor
New Brunswick Nova Scotia: 1 Seabase
Malta: 1 Infantry, 1 AAA
Alexandria: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech
Egypt: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Seabase
Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 Infantry
Union of South Africa: 2 Infantry, 1 Minor, 1 Seabase
Syria: 1 Control Marker
French Central Africa: 1 Control Marker
French Equatorial Africa: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
French Madagascar: 1 Control Marker
French Guiana: 1 Control Marker
Suriname: 1 Control Marker
Eire: 1 Control Marker
Persia: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Eastern Persia: 1 Control Marker
Iraq: 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
Tobruk: 1 Tank, 1 Control Marker
Ethiopia: 1 Control Marker
Italian Somaliland: 1 Control Marker
Sea Zone 71: 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 79: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Fighter
Sea Zone 91: 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 98: 1 Submarine, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Tactical
Sea Zone 106: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 109: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 110: 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 111: 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship

United Kingdom (Pacific Economy, 6 IPCs):
India: 5 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Strategic, 3 AAA, 1 Major, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
West India: 1 Infantry
Burma: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter
Sea Zone 39: 1 Battleship

Italy (12 IPCs):
Southern Italy: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Fighters, 2 AAA, 1 Minor, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Northern Italy: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Strategic, 2 AAA, 1 Major
Sicily: 1 Infantry
Sardinia: 1 Infantry
Albania: 1 Tank
Libya: 2 Infantry, 1 Mech, 1 Tank
Greece: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech, 1 Fighter, 1 Control Marker
Crete: 1 Tactical, 1 Control Marker
Tunisia: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Yugoslavia: 2 Infantry
Bulgaria: 1 Infantry
Sea Zone 94: 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 95: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 96: 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 97: 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 99: 1 Destroyer

ANZAC (10 IPCs):
New South Wales: 2 Infantry, 2 AAA, 1 Minor, 1 Seabase
Queensland: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech, 1 Tank, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
Northern Territory: 2 Infantry
Western Australia: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter
New Zealand: 2 Infantry, 2 Fighters, 1 Airbase, 1 Seabase
New Hebrides: 1 Control Marker
India: 1 Infantry
Tobruk: 2 Infantry
Sea Zone 54: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 62: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 63: 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Fighter

France (0 IPCs, capital occupied):
Syria: 1 Infantry
United Kingdom: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Gibraltar: 1 Infantry
Belgian Congo: 1 Infantry
Kenya: 1 Infantry
Tanganyika Territory: 1 Infantry
Sea Zone 72: 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 91: 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 110: 1 Cruiser

He was made the Villian because he made 1 statement (pro Nazi) that got printed in french Newspaper. I don’t remember exactly the headline but, it stated something along the lines “Here’s to a Nazi victory” or something like that. and thats what screwed him during Nurnberg trials

Petain actually helped his people, choosing to send them as labor to Germany vs Fielding French fighting Units for Germany. He chose work over bloodshed for his people in his mind. He had No Idea germany wouldnt return said workers AT the agreed time.