Open Call for Play Testers for Renegade A&A Games

@thethedew I don’t own the game, but I think the main point of it is that it is not WW2 based. This way the game has appeal to people who aren’t that interested in WW2.

Let us know what you think after you’ve played a couple of games.

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@vodot said in Renegade Con Virtual: Axis and Allies:

This post got moved over from a different thread.

@imperious-leader I’m not sure to what extent the team will feel empowered - or have the appetite - to revise things like rules etc. for the flagship games. They seem, at least right now, content to simply own and reprint the flagship IP while releasing only new entries into the (quite dated) family of “standalone satellite games”. This is after all the age of the timid ‘remake’, for better or for worse.

I would personally hope that we will see an even more revolutionary version of what @Black_Elk has recommended:

@black_elk said in Advice to Renegade! What is on your top 10 for adjustments to G40 3rd edition?:

So the Q was for Global 3rd Ed, but while we’re at it… I just got 3 to add

A legacy version of the base game (midscale board), that is simply called “Axis and Allies” ie don’t include a start date year or an edition number in the name for that one. It should present as the basic starter set. Provide unit set ups for a couple dates like AA50 did, but do that in the manual instead. The idea being that it’s easier to re-print or revise or download material for unit set ups in a manual than on cards/boxes. So you could do 1942 as the default, but also 1941 or 1943 say, just by referencing a page in the rulebook.

Axis and Allies Global - Sell it as a single complete game, rather than 2 separate theater games. For packaging maybe have 1 box be for the maps the cards and all the paper stuff, and then have units sold separately? I think the players that are most interested in the more advanced game just want G40, rather than Europe and Pacific 1940. By selling the sculpts separately there is less need to divide the boards by theater, and then it can build on the starter unit set included with the base “Axis and Allies” game mentioned above.

Include a small Art book/History of the Axis and Allies game and it’s creator, including the images from all the cover boxes and such. Legacy style! I just think that would be a nice touch and cool to see.

I would take this idea even further - a complete restructuring of the product line into a modern “base game + expansions” system with a basic tier (“Axis and Allies”) and then more complex and theater games layered on top of that. How many olive drab colored US bits does one A&A player need?? I have thousands of plastic bits across dozens of different color variations and decades of different injection molders, and tooling changes both major and minor… and I am by no means a “major collector” by the standards of some of the regulars here.

Instead, in 2024 maybe we could begin a new three-tier system, something like:

“Axis and Allies” (essentially, this would be AA41 or, even better, AAZ without zombies) basic units (inf/art/tnk/ftr/bmr/sub/trn/dd/cv/bb) simplified board with drawn-on infrastructure Expansion 1: “Advanced” Axis and Allies this expansion would, when combined with “Axis and Allies” above, create AA50 or AA50+. Contents: bigger/more granular map; maybe add a minor power or two (Axis minors/Italy, etc.) Set of new ‘basic’ units for the added power(s) only New unit rules + sculpts: Cruisers, AAA units, ICs, etc. for all powers This would not come with the basic pieces for the other powers Expansion 2: Axis and Allies: “Global War” this expansion would, when combined with the Base game and Expansion 1 above, create G40 or G40+. Contents: even bigger/more granular map and add more minor powers Sets of ‘basic’ and ‘advanced’ units for the added minor powers only New unit rules and sculpts: Mech Inf, Tac bombers, Minor ICs, Bases, etc. for all powers

These three would be the “mainline” series, which would then be further extensible by at least three additional series:

A “Great Battles” product line that zooms in on battles of particular interest like Guadalcanal or the Bulge; or perhaps even whole theaters and regions like North Africa, the Eastern Front, or Operation Overlord and aftermath.
- These would use but not contain the “Basic” units, rather expanding upon them by adding only the missing needed bits for those battles, scenarios, or theaters. The trucks from Bulge or the Blockhouses from D-Day are examples of these; and these theater games could include rules for incorporating these additional units into the “Global” game as well.

A product line that adds rules, units, and complexity for the “Global” game. These would be “packs” of additional sculpts and units, with each including enough units to add a particular unit for every power or new rules for the Global game; adding things like Transport Planes, Heavy Tanks, Mobile Artillery, Oil/resource bits and rules, new maps and overlays, etc. This could even introduce goofy/fun shenanigans like a “Zombies” deck with zombie figures, or other bizarre and alternative scenarios.

A product line for aesthetic game/sculpt changes - blister-packs releases of special/interesting replacement sculpts for the given powers.

Very good comment. As I said before, RENEGADE, look here! BE and I talked about this in another location. I would add, alternative set ups, even mid game set ups from top tier players actual games. And of course, official house rules like rails, marines, additional or reduced national objectives and national advantages.

@simon33:

Maybe an update of Anniversary Edition? That would be the most popular possibility, I feel.

I wish, but that is unlikely since Larry said his new game is not A&A. I checked the upcoming games at Hasbro, WOTC and AH, but nothing looks like the game Larry is talking about, so I guess Larry pull this off by himself and not via a big company. Larry also said this game have new features different from A&A. So it must be a new combat system. I figure this game can not be huge like the Global 40, more likely its the same size as Larrys first game, MB classic from 1984, but with LHTR rules that is designed for tournament play. This new game will be like a chess game, very balanced and playable, and with the WWII theme only as a background. It will take like 4 hoers to complete, and not a weekend like the G40. Just my guess

@Gargantua:

hands down Anniversary was the greatest stand alone print version of the game ever to released

100% agree

One thing I’ve been wondering is why can’t you buy WofTC stuff including Avalon products directly from the company?  Did they screw themselves by signing all sorts of restrictive distribution agreements with wholesalers?

Seems like a big mistake if they did. Probably contributes a serious percentage cost to the end product. Imagine buying 1940 2nd for $50 right from WofTC. Or replacement pieces right from them.

Who knows, maybe they are trying to shutter the A&A brand so their distributors let go of their contracts?  Maybe too savvy for them.

@Mill:

Are these poker chips identical front and back? And is one deluxe set, with the 25’s, enough for 1940 Global?

They are identical front and back, yes.

Most people playing 1940 Global end up getting 2 sets. Your mileage may vary.

One base set = 25 x 1’s, 15 x 5’s and 10 x 10’s
Mini upgrade = 25 x 25’s

When the sets were created it was intended for Anniversary edition and one set has worked quite well for us with that setup, as well as 1942 and 1941.