barnee vs VictoryFirst EXP Boxes Game 3

@VictoryFirst

yes that iscorrect but since JPN liberated on it’s next turn it never went down and they get a extra buck.

Formosa is worth 1 PU from game start. After ANZAC attacked it, it became worth 2 and ANZAC collected the on board PU of 1, plus 1 for it going up to 2.

That doesn’t affect JPN’s income that they have already collected from the previous turn. JPN’s income will only go down 2 if they don’t liberate it on there next turn.

So on there collect income phase, any islands that have been activated that they no longer control is when the negative bonus takes place.

@VictoryFirst said in barnee vs VictoryFirst EXP Boxes Game 4:

Jeez, that is the best rolling so far I’ve seen in a long time lol. I added the extra five bucks by the way for the British :)

10.00 for the Americans doesn’t sound good for JPN lol

@VictoryFirst

I will type out the PUs for JPN

FIC 2
Yunnan 1
Szechwan 1
Shensi 1
Suiyuyan 1
Chahar 1
Hopei 1
Kweichow 1
Hunan 1
Kwangsi 1
Jehol 1
Anhwe 1
Kiangsi 1
Kwangtung 3
Kiangsu 3
Shantung 2
Manchuria 3
Korea 3
Amur 1
Siberia 1
SFE 1
Sakha 1
Buryatia 1
Yakut 1
Japan 8
Iwo 1
Okinawa 1
Formosa 1

Total 45
Formosa +1
Adv Prod 8

Total 54

The previous turn JPN collected income Formosa was only worth 1. That is where your discrepancy is

@VictoryFirst heh heh yea the test had a -69 TUV ended up -123. Hopefully the Emporer can repay the favor :)

Yea, so the way triplea does it, it counts the original game start PU value and then when the island is attacked, it’s susposed to be conquered, the triplea trigger will kick in giving the extra PU to come to the correct total.

The reason for this, is the convoy zones still only operate at game start value. Triplea uses the printed game start value to decide how much damage for blockades.
It won’t count the bonus value.

So in our situation, ANZAC conquered Formosa on ANZAC 4. Triplea gives it 1 PU for game start value and then a trigger fires giving a +1 PU for activating it’s new PU value.

So on a ftf game, you would lower the IPC level by 2 for JPN. Triplea doesn’t work that way. It will just add up your income during the collect income phase and whatever it is, is what you get.

The end result is the same.

Even in a ftf game and JPN’s IPC level goes down 2, they don’t have 2 IPC taken out of there treasury. Once you get paid, that’s your money until you spend it.

@VictoryFirst

So once the island bonus is activated, that island is now worth the new value to whoever controls it

@VictoryFirst

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 Hvy_Undg_1, 2 Italian_LCVs, 2 armour, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Place Units - Italians
        Units in Southern Italy being upgraded or consumed: 1 UndergroundMinr
        1 Hvy_Undg_1 placed in Southern Italy

    Combat Move - Italians
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceItalians: Italians has 1 Rail placed in Southern Italy
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Italians takes Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 italian_para moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
              Italians take Persia from British
        EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Alexandria to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
        1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        1 fighter moved from Romania to Bessarabia
        1 fighter moved from Romania to Southern France
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Southern France
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 1 uk_para and 1 uk_paraBoost
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 uk_para and 1 uk_paraBoost in Southern France, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France
                1 uk_para owned by the British lost in Southern France
                1 uk_paraBoost owned by the British lost in Southern France
            Italians win, taking Southern France from British with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 uk_para and 1 uk_paraBoost
        Battle in Bessarabia
            Italians attack with 1 armour and 1 fighter
            Russians defend with 1 Soviet_Partisan
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 fighter in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 Soviet_Partisan in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Bessarabia
                1 Soviet_Partisan owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia
            Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Casualties for Russians: 1 Soviet_Partisan

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveItalians: has removed 1 Rail owned by Italians in Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Bessarabia to Northern Italy
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Syria to Northwest Persia
        EDIT: 1 Italian_LCV moved from Syria to Greece

    Place Units - Italians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Persia: 1 italian_paraBoost
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 italian_paraBoost
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 92 Sea Zone: 2 Wolfpacks
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 93 Sea Zone: 1 Wolfpack
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 109 Sea Zone: 1 Wolfpack
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 Italian_LCVs and 2 armour placed in Southern Italy
        3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3
        Italians collect 19 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 19 PUs
        Trigger Italians AdvancedProduction: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 22 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 26 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0.67
Russians regular : 0.83
British regular : 0.50

EXP Game 4 Victory I 5.tsvg

Fckn partisan lol

@VictoryFirst

Hmm … I might have fckd up. I don’t think air can attack partisans. Well he offed the Tank anyway :)

@VictoryFirst

Yea Air can’t attack Partisans.

At least the Tank was the one that got the hit though lol

@VictoryFirst

Keep the DD alive as long as there are any subs if you attack 20

@barnee said in barnee vs VictoryFirst EXP Boxes Game 4:

I will type out the PUs for JPN

FIC 2
Yunnan 1
Szechwan 1
Shensi 1
Suiyuyan 1
Chahar 1
Hopei 1
Kweichow 1
Hunan 1
Kwangsi 1
Jehol 1
Anhwe 1
Kiangsi 1
Kwangtung 3
Kiangsu 3
Shantung 2
Manchuria 3
Korea 3
Amur 1
Siberia 1
SFE 1
Sakha 1
Buryatia 1
Yakut 1
Japan 8
Iwo 1
Okinawa 1
Formosa 1

Total 45
Formosa +1
Adv Prod 8

Total 54

The previous turn JPN collected income Formosa was only worth 1. That is where your discrepancy is

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VictoryFirst

@The-Captain

In Late 1941 ANZAC captured Formosa and received 2 IPC for it. Formosa is now worth 2 IPC to whoever controls it.
In Early 1942 Japan liberates Formosa.

Japan controls the above TTys at the Collect Income Phase at the end of Early 1942.

Is the above total correct ?

@VictoryFirst said in barnee vs VictoryFirst EXP Boxes Game 4:

so the poor Italian tank got dusted by their Romanian allies :)

I don’t think they really much cared for the Italians. Allies or not lol

Hmm … reading this yet again, it looks as if I have triplea coded wrong. JPN doesn’t get the bonus. Well, actually, they get a negative bonus when ANZAC takes control and then the bonus when they take control which equals out to no bonus.

So if you’re the original owner of the TTY, you don’t get the bonus. Everyone gets the Dutch bonus. In the rare instance a Capital falls and one of your Allies takes control of a activated Island, they would get the bonus.

@VictoryFirst we will have to correct for this for any Islands that have been activated. Also, ANZAC will correctly receive there negative bonus this turn, but not next turn. Have todo that by hand too.

I’ll try and fix it in the rewrite. Never been able to get it to work so far, but got a couple new ideas :)

@VictoryFirst

yea i don’t want to change how convoy works. You only get a negative bonus right now if you conquer it and then lose it. Or, if it’s one you originally controlled, you will receive the negative bonus until you liberate it.

That doesn’t happen until your turn though. What I will do for now, is just remove the bonus for players that own those TTys. Then it will work correctly.

@barnee said in barnee vs VictoryFirst EXP Boxes Game 4:

What I will do for now, is just remove the bonus for players that own those TTys

There original TTys. So JPN won’t get a bonus for Formosa, but they will get a negative 1 PU if they lose it and don’t take it back right away.

So in our Formosa case, JPN wouldn’t receive the +1 and end up with 53 which is correct. If they didn’t liberate it, they would get a -1 for 52, which would also be correct

@barnee actually it would be 51 not 52 as they wouldn’t get the OOB 1 PU for Formosa