TripleA 1914 with Tournament rules.

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@CrazyIvan said in TripleA start issues:

@Panther I will do so! And thanks for the help.

One of my first questions will be the way this site separates threads, and how to both search for and post in the correct places!

Basically this site is structured in different categories and subcategories. For example categories on special games, where we discuss the games with their OOB rules and strategies. House Rules are regularly discussed in Customization/House Rules. Playing online has its categories, TripleA has an own support forum and so on…
So topics go to their respective category.

You can find some forum related Tips&Tricks by clicking this link:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/tags/tips&tricks

@sculpt - Glad its giving you a challenge though as this thread mentions you should update to the latest 1.8.0.9!

The Hard AI does not receive any extra bonuses unless you add them in the settings (so no cheating for it). You can always review its past turns using the history feature to prove that it isn’t cheating (‘Game’ > ‘Show history’). If you are having trouble beating it then I suggest giving yourself a small bid to start with then decreasing that as you play against it more.

More details on the Hard AI and to follow its development you can go here: http://tripleadev.1671093.n2.nabble.com/AI-Development-Discussion-tp7585227.html

I recall Veq saying that the 1914 rules presented a number of near insurmountable problems for TripleA in its present state. Frankly reading the rulebook for that game made me want to bang my head against the wall.
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It departs in significant ways from previous Axis and Allies games, and adds several elements that just have no real comparison with the earlier boards. The combat rules (single combat round attacking), the unit interactions, air supremacy, the rules for movement or occupation, the colonies, the neutrals, ports, Russian revolution, income collection, placement etc, are all so different from the WW2 games, that its hard to draw any direct parallels.

Basically, having played any of the World War II Axis and Allies games, doesn’t do you a whole lot of good in learning how to play 1914. In some ways it might even confuse the situation further, because you come into it with so many expectations, that are immediately upset at every conceivable point.

I don’t like to be a downer on 1914, since it does introduce some novel ideas into A&A, but on the whole I was kind of disappointed with this game. The only experience I can compare it to, was trying to learn Guadalcanal, which was pretty headache inducing. For me the main bummer, was that 1914 attempted all these really radical rules revisions in order simulate the world war 1 feel, but I think you could have accomplished a similar feel, just focusing more on the unit roster and the map design.

I appreciate how hard it is though to attempt WW1 in the A&A framework. The Great War game I made for tripleA with Surtur presented all sorts of frustrations. And that Great War game made no core revisions to the ruleset (since obviously that wasn’t possible in tripleA at the time.) It was tricky enough just depicting “free graphics” and things like that in TripleA, since at the time most stuff was still drawn directly on the baseline maps. But in a way, I think that was helpful, because it forced us to consider what a World War 1 game might look like, using the same essential rules that all the other Axis and Allies games used up until that point.

At that point the engine could handle Classic, Revised, and the two theater games then in print, Europe 1999 and Pacific 2001. For our Great War game we could change simple stuff, like unit attack/defense values, or how far they moved, or how much they cost, but we couldn’t just up and create an entirely new combat system for them! Because the TripleA engine didn’t work like that! heheh. We could change the way territories were drawn or distributed across the gamemap, but not how they were contested, or how placement of units within them worked. Instead we had to build within the confines of rules that already existed on other A&A gameboards. So in my mind, that Great War game, still felt a lot like Axis and Allies, even if it was ridiculously large and sprawling and kind of annoying with some of the insets and whatnot. At least you could say something like “hey, you’ve played Classic or A&A Europe? Well this game works basically the same way.” And then you go on trying to fit the square peg into the round hole, and make a WW1 game that vaguely fits with the familiar ruleset.

1914 is a totally different beast though, and took a very different approach, by introducing a whole host of new rules and mechanics. Each phase in the sequence of play involved a core change of one sort or another. And even using my most diehard A&A buddy as a test subject, trying to teach it was nearly impossible. It made the 1940 game look like a cake-walk by comparison, despite having like half the unit types and half the game tiles, and after a few sessions, he was like “dude, this is frustrating, lets just play Global.”

Not to knock it, since I like many of the discrete elements and ideas it introduces, but as a cohesive whole, 1914 just felt like a completely different game to me. I’m not sure why it has Axis and Allies in the title, beyond branding purposes.

I’m not holding my breath on this one. Even though I think it would be hugely helpful to have a tripleA version of this game, just for teaching/learning purposes. Unfortunately I just don’t see the critical mass of enthusiasm for it, from either the devs or the player base, that is usually required to get a tripleA simulation up and running. But who knows? Maybe Frogg and Blumb can get a groundswell going. It would be cool to see some of the 1914 features included in TripleA, just to expand the options with the engine, and allow more customization for mods and such.

Hi Kirk

You might try asking at triplea

http://tripleadev.1671093.n2.nabble.com/

Yes.  It would just need to be set up as a new XML so that it is selectable as a different mod.

welcome

TripleA 1.6.1 has been released, download it here,

http://sourceforge.net/projects/triplea/files/TripleA_Unstable/1_6_1/

(You can install more than 1 version of TripleA at a time, and run them all at the same time.)

The Developers for TripleA 1.6.1: Veqryn
See dev forum post about the release for more details: http://tripleadev.1671093.n2.nabble.com/TripleA-1-6-1-Unstable-released-tp7580077.html

Major Bug Fixes since 1.6:

Fixing bug in Battle Calculator where damaged units got turned into healthy units before each battle was calculated. Fixed issue with null pointer resulting from mechanized inf tech. Many many more bug fixes

Major New Engine Features:

Greatly improved quality of Zoom. Added a menu option to have territory borders drawn a second time on top of the map. Make savegames for long games, games with many players, and games with many battles, much smaller, and improved memory efficiency in-game. Created an option in Play-By-Forum and Play-By-Email to send the move summary after the combat move phase, in addition to the summary at the end of the turn. This is to help with OOL and scrambling orders. Allowing additional nations to share the cost of technology, and creating a good user interface that dynamically adjusts to show how much is being paid by each nation. Created edit option to add technology to a player. Created edit option to remove technology from a player, except that shipyards and industrial technology can never be removed, and any technology that uses triggers is pointless to remove and removing will not undo their effect. Created edit option to change the amount of unit hitpoint damage on any and all units which can take more than 1 point of hit damage. Created edit option to change the amount of unit bombing damage on any and all units which can be damaged by bombing. Making scramble dialog non-modal so that the user can move the map around before choosing what to scramble. Note that saving the game while in the middle of scrambling can result in weird effects, so it is not recommended. Making kamikaze and interceptor dialogs non-modal so user can move around map while choosing. Again, saving during the dialog then reloading might have odd effects.

Major New Game XML Features:

Created new game option, “Remove All Tech Tokens At End Of Turn”, which will remove tech tokens after each tech roll. Adding methods to ensure that any power sharing technology (like British to UK Pacific) will still roll for war bonds even if its capital is taken, so long as the shared power is not able to have the warbonds technologies. Created new game option, “Kamikaze Suicide Attacks Only Where Battles Are”, and implemented it. Created new game option, “Submarines Prevent Unescorted Amphibious Assaults”, that prevent unescorted transports from conducting amphibious assaults.

Major Map/Game changes:
Fixing more bugs in Global 1940 and getting it closer to the real thing.
Adding a new 5 player FFA map for Napoleonic Empires.

Major Changes since 1.5.2.1:

Fixed problems with Edit mode. Fixed problems with Scrambling not working. Fixed several fatal errors, and many many more bug fixes. Disallowed Bombardment from any sea zone that had a kamikaze suicide attack. Allowed loading of transports in Sea Zones where all enemies just became hostile this turn due to politics. Allowed downloading of multiple maps/games in one go, by holding down CTRL while selecting maps in the “Download Games” dialog screen, and out of date maps will show up in bold, and maps up-to-date will show in italics. Created new game option, “Subs Can End NonCombat Move With Enemies”, which allows submarines to end their noncombat movement in a sea zone containing any enemy units. Created new game option, “Convoy Blockades Roll Dice For Cost”, which will now allow dice to be thrown for all blockade damage. Completely creating technologies for Global 1940, including Paratroopers and Improved Mechanized Infantry.

For a full changelog see here:
https://triplea.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/triplea/branches/1_6_1_unstable/changelog.txt

Please report any bugs encountered here:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=44492&atid=439737

If you find bugs, I really can’t do much about them unless you upload an autosave.  It will save me tons of time if you give me an autosave / or save game made sometime before the bug occured.  Also mention what map the bug occurred on, and copy and paste the error if there is one.

Your save games are in a folder right next to where the maps are:

(Windows XP)  C:\Documents and Settings\userName\triplea
(Windows 7)  C:\Users\userName\triplea
(Mac)  /home/user/documents/triplea/
(Linux)  /home/user/triplea/

[They are NOT in program files.  They are in a folder in your user account.]

When you are making a post, click the “More Options” button.  From there click “Upload a file”.
Simply upload the autosave, or other save, to your post.

I really really appreciate savegames, it makes my life a lot easier.

Please also describe what happened before the bug occurred, and copy and paste the full error message, and of course say what map and what version of TripleA you were using!

thanks,
veqryn