Update
I lost , and my friend continues to reign supreme. My opponent pointed out I had a chance to win if I had advanced Italian navy to a couple key spaces. Which would had left opening for the Germans . But I didn’t see the combo . Playing and failing the strategy has really made me a stronger player though. I encourage new players to try it , it will make you more board aware.
As a semi-experienced player when I first saw this strategy, I can definitely see its merits in the way you describe.
Did you tell your opponent what you were trying to do?
@ZiNK said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
I think I’ll just smack it with everything I got
yea absolutely how I’d i do it.
Might not be the best idea, but that’s how I’d do it :)
@kaihlhac said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
I moved the American fleet to the Atlantic once Hawaii was taken (and Japan had brought everything so its impossible to overcome) and I dont see why any American player would not do that if that happens.
So if Japan gets 4 VC they win. That is Hong Kong, Philippines, Hawaii and Australia. So if you move the US fleet to the Atlantic and build there, what is to stop Japan from going south and taking Australia and winning the game?
@SuperbattleshipYamato No he had no idea until the very end. Just had strong fundamentals. And I wasn’t very polished , and missing some combos
@kaihlhac said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
@squirecam said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
I moved the American fleet to the Atlantic once Hawaii was taken (and Japan had brought everything so its impossible to overcome) and I dont see why any American player would not do that if that happens.
I just wanted to give an update, I tried around myself and depending on the Axis moves, there are possibilities to contest the Japanese navy. It has to do with complicated back and forth blocking between Japan and USA, but I achieved to destroy almost the entire Japanese navy (while still losing Hawaii tho). Just wanted to put this out here, so I correct myself, I do see why an American player would keep the navy in the pacific. But it depends on the execution of the Jap player and the dice. Problem is the Atlantic tho, where I was able to assert full dominance with Germany over the Atlantic in the meanwhile.
And this is why you don’t attack J1. Because attacking allows the US to block you from Hawaii or the west coast when waiting allows you to sail into the HI sea zone and you can’t be blocked.
Tried another game, this time with just the Pacific board. Japan… did not do too well.
I’ll admit I chalk that up to some mistakes on their end, but I feel like the end result would be similar, even if it took longer:
When prepared, the US can prevent a Japanese takeover of San Francisco, no matter how hard it would be, while the UK, China, and ANZAC eat at Japan’s income in Asia.
Working with only pacific does change the game a lot.
There is a lot less US income but also only 1 place to spend it all so the US would not be surprised that quickly.
This strat relies on surprise and getting your opponent offguard.
Just a buy of subs round 1 and 2 will finish off any ideas germany will have in the atlantic really quickly. And the same for japan.
@shadowhawk said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
Working with only pacific does change the game a lot.
There is a lot less US income but also only 1 place to spend it all so the US would not be surprised that quickly.This strat relies on surprise and getting your opponent offguard.
Just a buy of subs round 1 and 2 will finish off any ideas germany will have in the atlantic really quickly. And the same for japan.
I think this is not a strategy by itself. I think you set up for a possibility, and if certain things occur then you try it. But you don’t go into a game planning to do this.
@squirecam said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
@shadowhawk said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
Working with only pacific does change the game a lot.
There is a lot less US income but also only 1 place to spend it all so the US would not be surprised that quickly.This strat relies on surprise and getting your opponent offguard.
Just a buy of subs round 1 and 2 will finish off any ideas germany will have in the atlantic really quickly. And the same for japan.I think this is not a strategy by itself. I think you set up for a possibility, and if certain things occur then you try it. But you don’t go into a game planning to do this.
Its something the axis have to plan for and execute from round 1. Thats the whole point. Germany investing heavy into navy 2 rounds basically locks you into this strat.
Japan attacking hawai and buying fleet also pushes towards this.
@shadowhawk said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
@squirecam said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
@shadowhawk said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
Working with only pacific does change the game a lot.
There is a lot less US income but also only 1 place to spend it all so the US would not be surprised that quickly.This strat relies on surprise and getting your opponent offguard.
Just a buy of subs round 1 and 2 will finish off any ideas germany will have in the atlantic really quickly. And the same for japan.I think this is not a strategy by itself. I think you set up for a possibility, and if certain things occur then you try it. But you don’t go into a game planning to do this.
Its something the axis have to plan for and execute from round 1. Thats the whole point. Germany investing heavy into navy 2 rounds basically locks you into this strat.
Japan attacking hawai and buying fleet also pushes towards this.
I disagree about being locked into anything. Your plans should be fluid and change with what is developing. Yes if you attack right away things are baked in. I don’t attack J1 or J2 usually.
Personally speaking from the last game, Japan did have a chance to rush towards Australia early from Hawaii if they desired.
But yeah, there are generally limited options based on the strategy. Your plan should be adaptable, but thar doesn’t mean it can be.
And if you don’t attack J1 or J2, then this strategy won’t work.
@SuperbattleshipYamato said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
Personally speaking from the last game, Japan did have a chance to rush towards Australia early from Hawaii if they desired.
But yeah, there are generally limited options based on the strategy. Your plan should be adaptable, but thar doesn’t mean it can be.
And if you don’t attack J1 or J2, then this strategy won’t work.
Please explain how not attacking J1 defeats the strategy of attacking the USA.
The plan shown above seems to depend heavily on Japan attacking early when the US is arguably at its weakest, alongside ample coordination with the European Axis to conduct a one-two punch. As evident in the games posted above, a delay of just a few turns closes the narrow window the Axis have for a truly decisive victory.
@SuperbattleshipYamato said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:
The plan shown above seems to depend heavily on Japan attacking early when the US is arguably at its weakest, alongside ample coordination with the European Axis to conduct a one-two punch. As evident in the games posted above, a delay of just a few turns closes the narrow window the Axis have for a truly decisive victory.
So when you attack J1 you lose surprise and allow the USA to get its bonus. Combined with Japan not getting money in China and the UK and AZ getting money islands and bonuses, you are really short on income.
Not attacking limits the USA to 3 units per factory. No bonuses. They can’t screen in Hawaii. And they can’t advance in the Atlantic.
If your goal is to take the USA, set up for it. Don’t give them the money advantage.
Fair points. Wanna try it?
