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Kwas (Axis) V. TGC (Allies)
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Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 armour moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium British take Netherlands-Belgium from Germans 1 armour moved from Netherlands-Belgium to France 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Northern Italy 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Libya to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Southern Italy British take Southern Italy from Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia British take Tunisia from Germans Combat - British Strategic bombing raid in Northern Italy Bombing raid in Northern Italy rolls: 4 and costs: 4 PUs. Bombing raid costs 4 PUs Non Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to France 1 carrier and 3 transports moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France 1 transport moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia 1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone Place Units - British 1 armour, 1 artillery and 7 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Russia change ownership: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Some Units in Belorussia change ownership: 1 infantry Some Units in Leningrad change ownership: 1 armour Some Units in Baltic States change ownership: 1 infantry -
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Non Combat Move - Americans 3 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 armour moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 armour moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom 4 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 transport moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 42 PUs -
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Game History
Round: 5 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 artillery moved from Algeria to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Vichy France to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Algeria to Morocco Germans take Morocco from Americans 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Germany to Poland 1 armour moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. Germans take Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians 1 infantry moved from East Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from East Poland to Baltic States 2 fighters moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 fighter moved from Germany to Poland 1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic States 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 45 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia Combat - Germans Battle in Belorussia Germans attack with 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 45 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 45 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 22/72 hits, 21.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Belorussia Germans win, taking Belorussia from Russians with 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 44 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport British defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the British lost in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 transport Battle in Poland Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Poland Germans win, taking Poland from Russians with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 4 fighters and 2 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Southern Italy Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry British defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Southern Italy, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits British roll dice for 2 infantry in Southern Italy, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Southern Italy Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Southern Italy, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Italy, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Southern Italy Germans win, taking Southern Italy from British with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland 1 fighter moved from Poland to Northern Italy 1 fighter moved from Poland to East Poland 4 fighters moved from Baltic States to Germany 1 bomber moved from Poland to Germany 1 fighter moved from East Poland to Germany 1 aaGun moved from East Poland to Belorussia Place Units - Germans 8 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 32 PUs; end with 33 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 1.00 Germans regular : 0.50 British regular : -1.17 -
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Game History
Round: 5 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 artillery and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 5 artilleries and 55 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia 6 armour and 4 fighters moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 17 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 1 bomber moved from France to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Belorussia 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Austria Russians take Austria from Germans Combat - Russians Battle in Belorussia Russians attack with 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 72 infantry Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 44 infantry Germans roll AA dice in Belorussia : 0/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 72 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 22/88 hits, 20.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 44 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 18/71 hits, 23.67 expected hits 18 infantry owned by the Russians and 22 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 54 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 22/70 hits, 17.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 22 infantry in Belorussia, round 3 : 16/49 hits, 16.33 expected hits 16 infantry owned by the Russians and 22 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 38 infantry in Belorussia, round 4 : 17/54 hits, 14.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 17 armour and 10 artilleries in Belorussia, round 4 : 9/27 hits, 9.00 expected hits 9 infantry owned by the Russians, 10 artilleries owned by the Germans and 7 armour owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 29 infantry in Belorussia, round 5 : 19/45 hits, 13.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 10 armour in Belorussia, round 5 : 4/10 hits, 3.33 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the Russians and 10 armour owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia Russians win, taking Belorussia from Germans with 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 25 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 116 Casualties for Russians: 47 infantry Casualties for Germans: 17 armour, 10 artilleries and 44 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 bomber and 4 fighters moved from Belorussia to Stalingrad Place Units - Russians 1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Stalingrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans AA : -0.83 Germans regular : -5.33 Russians regular : 15.17 -
Game History
Round: 5 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 2 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 armour and 4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 1 armour and 4 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Belorussia 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom 2 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 3 destroyers and 2 submarines moved from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium Non Combat Move - Americans Place Units - Americans 1 transport placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 44 PUs Some Units in Belorussia change ownership: 1 fighterUSA5 actual.tsvg
USA5 real luck.tsvgI posted two saves. The first (actual) is how our game really played out. The second (real luck) is how it ‘should’ have looked in Bessarabia if the German AA gun completely whiffed (as it did). Even in this case, there appears to be no chance of the Germans recouping. The German’s needed to catch the 12% chance that they actually repel the initial Russian counterattack. I’m not sure wtf “you did wrong” as Germany - or “they” were wrong - or the dice had an oversized affect. I will get to work on crunching the dice tomorrow. Need rest now.
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Indeed good game. I think I may have been too passive in the first couple of turns, not sure. I didn’t attack East Poland first turn, the “scripts” were a little vague on what to do besides taking Leningrad. (which I honestly don’t see the point of unless you taking Baltic States strongly. And even then…).
Russia’s income was pretty massive on this one, which was pretty funny. And Germany’s too low. If there’s anything I did poorly, it’s probably trading in the East.
As for you, you seemed to perform the “Rumanian Wedge” pretty well, whether it was intentional or not. Unlike the forum post, there was no battle there, because I tried to counter your counter. All it did was just kinda stalemate the situation there until turn 4. (The tank push scripts are supposed to hold Eastern Poland & Ukraine strongly there by turn 4 if you’re doing a 2 turn inf build).
When people were playing this game as Allies, maybe they were too passive and that’s why the tank push worked so well against them. They couldn’t figure out it, and called the game broken. It’s definitely a possibility.
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Adjusted dice results:
Round 2
Allies: +2.65
German: -3.57Round 3
Allies: +3.31
German: -3.9Round 4
Allies: +3.31
German: -4.48The dice results are ‘added’ turn to turn so by the end of round four, there is a nearly 8 point swing in favor of the Allies - and so the stage is set for a better than average allied ‘end game’. I believe this disparity can account for the Russian counterattack into Belorussia being 88%. E.g. a game with par dice swings or the same dice swings but inverted in favor of the Axis would not create an opportunity for the Russian attack into Belo. We would then have had a battle in Moscow instead but I’m not sure how competitive that would have been for either side - too difficult to say without more games.
I believe closer to ‘average’ dice, a better pre-game expenditure of IPC for Germany (not a transport), and not invading Leningrad on G1 would make this more competitive in the end game but I don’t feel certain its a “crush” or a guarantee for the Germans to win this game overall. In fact, even with these dice stats, I am currently suspect of the claims that this game is “broken”.
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agree with everything lol
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