OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map

gamerman01

Just a final note. Even with arty and armor down you are still at +21 at the Korea battle. Expected outcome is +6, so it is still a good result for you.

I think this might make you feel better, too. And I can’t resist the analysis.

It was lucky for me to lose 1/6 on AA. The average (+6, like you said) includes all the possibilities of more than 1 plane getting hit by AA.

I ran a calc on an old and reliable calculator I have. I ran it with no AA and took one Jap plane off. The median result (after taking 1/6 AA fire) is that I end up with 1 or 2 ground units without taking off any more planes.

If you follow what I’m saying, the +6 expected outcome actually goes up after the actual 1/6 AA result, so would be closer to the +21.

Looking again, after you rolled a couple extra hits in the first round, the second and third round were poor rolls for the defender. Combined with a 1/6 AA that is actually good for the attacker even though it is the expected number of hits,

We came to a very fair conclusion, I think 🧐

gamerman01

One of your posts from yesterday may have been lost.

I was replying to your statement (see previous post) and it didn’t appear to post. Then I noticed it seemed to have over-written a post of yours, so my post was assigned to you. So I re-posted and deleted the messed up post, which might have been something that you had said.

Just full disclosure - sorry, I don’t know what I misclicked

gamerman01

Oh my, I am really belaboring this messed up battle, but just saw that the history shows 2 USA infantry in the casualties at the end of the battle summary. If you click through round by round, it never took 2 USA infantry off, but there they are at the end. Bizarre. And when I decided to attack, it was based on the less favorable calculation that did include the 2 US infantry because they didn’t disappear from the engine until the battle of Zone 6, and of course I made the decision and the calc before the conduct combat phase.

Apparently it got confused by the battle of Zone 6 and the 2 infantry on Korea, who knows why.

But there they are again at the end of the Korea battle?! Just, what???

oysteilo

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 4

    Research Technology - Americans
        Americans spend 10 on tech rolls
            Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit
        Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
        Americans discover Heavy Bomber

    Activate Technology - Americans
        Americans activating Heavy Bomber

    Purchase Units - Americans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

oysteilo

yeah. I agree with everything you write above, its really weird. I had all sorted out, but now I have heavy bombers so I migh take a moment to praise the dice goods and see what else they can rin to my mind

gamerman01

I’m still not used to cheap 12 IPC bombers and now America has heavies?!

Well, you certainly earned them, so many tech misses!

oysteilo

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 4

    Research Technology - Americans
        Americans spend 10 on tech rolls
            Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit
        Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
        Americans discover Heavy Bomber

    Activate Technology - Americans
        Americans activating Heavy Bomber

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - Americans
        3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

oysteilo

submerge or fight

gamerman01

Fight round 1

Can’t give you instructions on different possibilities because I’ve been playing Classic and you may not need them anyway
I’ll check back

oysteilo

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 4

    Research Technology - Americans
        Americans spend 10 on tech rolls
            Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit
        Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
        Americans discover Heavy Bomber

    Activate Technology - Americans
        Americans activating Heavy Bomber

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - Americans
        3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone
        Battle in 6 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 3 submarines
            Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport
                Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.00
Japanese regular : 0.50

Savegame

oysteilo

one hit each round 1, submerge or fight?

gamerman01

Hit carrier, sub keeps fightin’

Now I can wrap my head around it a little better.
Sub never submerges, and take it next

And no I never considered a sub only attack

oysteilo

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 4

    Research Technology - Americans
        Americans spend 10 on tech rolls
            Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit
        Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
        Americans discover Heavy Bomber

    Activate Technology - Americans
        Americans activating Heavy Bomber

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - Americans
        3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone
        Battle in 6 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 3 submarines
            Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport
                Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 carrier owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 8 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
            Japanese and Americans reach a stalemate
            . Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for Americans: 2 submarines
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Japan
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Japan
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Japan

    Non Combat Move - Americans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : 0.17

Savegame

gamerman01

Almost…

gamerman01

@oysteilo said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:

Japanese and Americans reach a stalemate

Huh? At first I thought I didn’t understand the e-mail dice correctly. We gotta keep watching this engine,
a sub wiping everything out is not a stalemate. It seems confused about Americans in zone 6

gamerman01

Enjoy terrorizing me with bid boosted Chinese and Indians :p

oysteilo

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 4

    Research Technology - Americans
        Americans spend 10 on tech rolls
            Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit
        Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research.
        Americans discover Heavy Bomber

    Activate Technology - Americans
        Americans activating Heavy Bomber

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - Americans
        3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone
        Battle in 6 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 3 submarines
            Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport
                Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 carrier owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 8 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
            Japanese and Americans reach a stalemate
            . Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for Americans: 2 submarines
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Japan
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Japan
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Japan

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 2 submarines and 2 transports moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
        1 carrier moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 fighter placed in Western United States
        2 destroyers, 5 submarines and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 53 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
        Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan
              Chinese take Suiyuyan from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hopei
              Chinese take Hopei from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
              Chinese take Anhwe from Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Hunan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Hunan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan
            Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Hunan to Yunnan
        5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Shensi

    Place Units - Chinese
        5 infantry placed in Anhwe

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 18 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 bomber and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 3 artilleries; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Politics - British
        Trigger British Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - British

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 aaGun and 7 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to Kenya
        1 artillery moved from Tanganyika Territory to Kenya
        1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Anhwe

    Place Units - British
        3 submarines placed in 98 Sea Zone
        1 bomber placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 30 PUs; end with 31 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        3 artilleries placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6,4,4
        UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 3 artilleries

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.17
Americans regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : -0.17

Savegame

oysteilo

I did not see any funny business from the engine during the sub battle, but calling it a stalemate is kind of generous for the japanese, if the tranny survived I would maybe agree. Good kill there for med taking out the carrier. Hmmmm, I am surprised you didnt consider a sub only attack. We will see if the chinese can make any trouble here… To early to tell

oysteilo

take your time here, I am away for about 10 days now

gamerman01

@oysteilo said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:

Hmmmm, I am surprised you didnt consider a sub only attack.

I’ll just blame it on the map

OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 4

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