Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Americans Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States Combat Move - Americans Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 16 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima Combat - Americans Battle in Iwo Jima Non Combat Move - Americans 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 16 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima 2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from 7 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 fighter moved from Aleutian Islands to Siberia 2 bombers moved from Alaska to Siberia 1 bomber moved from Western United States to Siberia 1 armour moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter and 11 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar Chinese take Chahar from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar 1 fighter moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan Combat - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 2 infantry placed in Suiyuyan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 10 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to 97 Sea Zone 2 destroyers moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya British take Libya from Italians 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to 98 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia 1 battleship moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Egypt to Ethiopia Combat - British Battle in 97 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 5 destroyers and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 55 Casualties for British: 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports Battle in Ethiopia British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry 1 armour owned by the British retreated to Anglo Egyptian Sudan Italians win with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8 Casualties for British: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 2 fighters moved from West India to 80 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from West India to Eastern Persia Place Units - British 1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 80 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in Persia 2 infantry placed in Egypt Turn Complete - British British collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs Turn Complete - UK_PacificOOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map
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Just a final note. Even with arty and armor down you are still at +21 at the Korea battle. Expected outcome is +6, so it is still a good result for you.
I think this might make you feel better, too. And I can’t resist the analysis.
It was lucky for me to lose 1/6 on AA. The average (+6, like you said) includes all the possibilities of more than 1 plane getting hit by AA.
I ran a calc on an old and reliable calculator I have. I ran it with no AA and took one Jap plane off. The median result (after taking 1/6 AA fire) is that I end up with 1 or 2 ground units without taking off any more planes.
If you follow what I’m saying, the +6 expected outcome actually goes up after the actual 1/6 AA result, so would be closer to the +21.
Looking again, after you rolled a couple extra hits in the first round, the second and third round were poor rolls for the defender. Combined with a 1/6 AA that is actually good for the attacker even though it is the expected number of hits,
We came to a very fair conclusion, I think 🧐
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One of your posts from yesterday may have been lost.
I was replying to your statement (see previous post) and it didn’t appear to post. Then I noticed it seemed to have over-written a post of yours, so my post was assigned to you. So I re-posted and deleted the messed up post, which might have been something that you had said.
Just full disclosure - sorry, I don’t know what I misclicked
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Oh my, I am really belaboring this messed up battle, but just saw that the history shows 2 USA infantry in the casualties at the end of the battle summary. If you click through round by round, it never took 2 USA infantry off, but there they are at the end. Bizarre. And when I decided to attack, it was based on the less favorable calculation that did include the 2 US infantry because they didn’t disappear from the engine until the battle of Zone 6, and of course I made the decision and the calc before the conduct combat phase.
Apparently it got confused by the battle of Zone 6 and the 2 infantry on Korea, who knows why.
But there they are again at the end of the Korea battle?! Just, what???
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Americans Americans spend 10 on tech rolls Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Americans discover Heavy Bomber Activate Technology - Americans Americans activating Heavy Bomber Purchase Units - AmericansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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yeah. I agree with everything you write above, its really weird. I had all sorted out, but now I have heavy bombers so I migh take a moment to praise the dice goods and see what else they can rin to my mind
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I’m still not used to cheap 12 IPC bombers and now America has heavies?!
Well, you certainly earned them, so many tech misses!
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Americans Americans spend 10 on tech rolls Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Americans discover Heavy Bomber Activate Technology - Americans Americans activating Heavy Bomber Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; Politics - Americans Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians Combat Move - Americans 3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Combat - AmericansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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submerge or fight
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Fight round 1
Can’t give you instructions on different possibilities because I’ve been playing Classic and you may not need them anyway
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Americans Americans spend 10 on tech rolls Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Americans discover Heavy Bomber Activate Technology - Americans Americans activating Heavy Bomber Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; Politics - Americans Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians Combat Move - Americans 3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone Battle in 6 Sea Zone Americans attack with 3 submarines Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea ZoneCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.00 Japanese regular : 0.50 -
one hit each round 1, submerge or fight?
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Hit carrier, sub keeps fightin’
Now I can wrap my head around it a little better.
Sub never submerges, and take it nextAnd no I never considered a sub only attack
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: UHD World War II Global
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Americans Americans spend 10 on tech rolls Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Americans discover Heavy Bomber Activate Technology - Americans Americans activating Heavy Bomber Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; Politics - Americans Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians Combat Move - Americans 3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone Battle in 6 Sea Zone Americans attack with 3 submarines Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 carrier owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 8 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese and Americans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 17 Casualties for Americans: 2 submarines Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan Non Combat Move - AmericansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Japanese regular : 0.17 -
Almost…
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@oysteilo said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:
Japanese and Americans reach a stalemate
Huh? At first I thought I didn’t understand the e-mail dice correctly. We gotta keep watching this engine,
a sub wiping everything out is not a stalemate. It seems confused about Americans in zone 6 -
Enjoy terrorizing me with bid boosted Chinese and Indians :p
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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Americans Americans spend 10 on tech rolls Americans roll 2,6 and gets 1 hit Americans removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Americans discover Heavy Bomber Activate Technology - Americans Americans activating Heavy Bomber Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 5 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; Politics - Americans Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians Combat Move - Americans 3 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone Battle in 6 Sea Zone Americans attack with 3 submarines Japanese defend with 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport Americans roll dice for 3 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 carrier owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 6 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in 6 Sea Zone, round 7 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 8 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese and Americans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 17 Casualties for Americans: 2 submarines Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan Non Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 2 submarines and 2 transports moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States 1 carrier moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 fighter placed in Western United States 2 destroyers, 5 submarines and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 53 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 infantry moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan Chinese take Suiyuyan from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hopei Chinese take Hopei from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe Chinese take Anhwe from Japanese 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Hunan Combat - Chinese Battle in Hunan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Hunan to Yunnan 5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Shensi Place Units - Chinese 5 infantry placed in Anhwe Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 18 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 bomber and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 3 artilleries; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Politics - British Trigger British Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians Combat Move - British Non Combat Move - British 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt 1 fighter moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt 1 aaGun and 7 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to Kenya 1 artillery moved from Tanganyika Territory to Kenya 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Anhwe Place Units - British 3 submarines placed in 98 Sea Zone 1 bomber placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 30 PUs; end with 31 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 3 artilleries placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6,4,4 UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 3 artilleriesCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0.17 Americans regular : 0.33 Japanese regular : -0.17 -
I did not see any funny business from the engine during the sub battle, but calling it a stalemate is kind of generous for the japanese, if the tranny survived I would maybe agree. Good kill there for med taking out the carrier. Hmmmm, I am surprised you didnt consider a sub only attack. We will see if the chinese can make any trouble here… To early to tell
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take your time here, I am away for about 10 days now
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@oysteilo said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:
Hmmmm, I am surprised you didnt consider a sub only attack.
I’ll just blame it on the map
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