OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map

@oysteilo I really appreciate that you thought it through like I did and shared your thoughts.

With your feedback, I’m going to remove the tank and artillery and leave Korea green. I’ll even roll the convoy roll for US3 just in case you can get an IPC or 3.

Give me time to edit around Russia. I am willing to just alter my J4 move a little even though I made it thinking Korea was secure and I had an artillery and tank on it, that’s all OK.

I will have a transport in Z6 and will drop 2 units on Korea to take it, instead of going South, so indeed it is a significant setback that I actually caught it and volunteered it, but I couldn’t have it any other way.

Thanks! Should get to it some time today.

@oysteilo said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:

I am not sure what to say here. Regardless of how we do this it wont be right. I can’t believe that this happened! It is unreal that the green men in a green territory isnt counted!

I think I got it. Here is a summary.

Tank and artillery that survived Korea are removed. The tank that was removed was the one that activated Mongolia by combat move on Amur and Buryatia.

AA moved to Cha instead of Manchuria.
Tac that went to Manchuria goes to Kiangsi
Transport that took FIC with 2 infantry instead takes Korea with infantry, mech. Transport that noncommed to Kiangsi takes 2 infantry instead of infantry, mech

Japan income reduced by 4, 2 from Russia, 2 from FIC. All ownership of territories reverted.

I see drawbacks and benefits for each of us, but I think it’s fair. While one might complain that I saved my transport at 36, it makes sense because I needed to take Korea and that would be the transport I would do it with.

Here is the file,
J4 edits because of Triple A glitch on Korea.tsvg

Thanks a lot, Triple A. First time I’ve ever seen anything like that. Almost makes me want to test the same scenario in the map we’ve used for many years, whatever that map is called.
A headache for both of us.

And to lighten the mood, here is the convoy roll for US3 for Korea

[dice 14d6<=3]

15 damage, nothing gets back to California.

@oysteilo said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:

As a consequence I offer you to possition transport(s) or possibly other boats in “liberal” positons if that is of any interest. Not much, I know.

I think we understand each other well enough. I definitely don’t want a couple units to make a problem between us or even take away from this crazy (UHD tech) game at all.

I appreciate the generosity, if I understand you correctly, and did change the one loaded transport which I think should be OK. Trying to keep changes to a minimum. Glad you also see that it is a quite complicated situation since we are trying to respect die rolls, including the horrible J4 dice, and trying to look at many different angles of the consequences of this heinous glitch by Triple A.

I think we’re intact and feeling good enough going forward.
I like that we’re trying to keep dice, like not going back to J3 and re-rolling and then replaying every turn.

Just feel free to tell me if I’m not understanding you - like I said, despite my competitive instincts I prize mutually enjoyable play over winning at all costs and I know you do too

I think it’s awesome that you are diving in to all these details and trying to work it out with me

Have a great Monday!

Really glad to hear

Just a final note. Even with arty and armor down you are still at +21 at the Korea battle. Expected outcome is +6, so it is still a good result for you.

I think this might make you feel better, too. And I can’t resist the analysis.

It was lucky for me to lose 1/6 on AA. The average (+6, like you said) includes all the possibilities of more than 1 plane getting hit by AA.

I ran a calc on an old and reliable calculator I have. I ran it with no AA and took one Jap plane off. The median result (after taking 1/6 AA fire) is that I end up with 1 or 2 ground units without taking off any more planes.

If you follow what I’m saying, the +6 expected outcome actually goes up after the actual 1/6 AA result, so would be closer to the +21.

Looking again, after you rolled a couple extra hits in the first round, the second and third round were poor rolls for the defender. Combined with a 1/6 AA that is actually good for the attacker even though it is the expected number of hits,

We came to a very fair conclusion, I think 🧐

One of your posts from yesterday may have been lost.

I was replying to your statement (see previous post) and it didn’t appear to post. Then I noticed it seemed to have over-written a post of yours, so my post was assigned to you. So I re-posted and deleted the messed up post, which might have been something that you had said.

Just full disclosure - sorry, I don’t know what I misclicked

Oh my, I am really belaboring this messed up battle, but just saw that the history shows 2 USA infantry in the casualties at the end of the battle summary. If you click through round by round, it never took 2 USA infantry off, but there they are at the end. Bizarre. And when I decided to attack, it was based on the less favorable calculation that did include the 2 US infantry because they didn’t disappear from the engine until the battle of Zone 6, and of course I made the decision and the calc before the conduct combat phase.

Apparently it got confused by the battle of Zone 6 and the 2 infantry on Korea, who knows why.

But there they are again at the end of the Korea battle?! Just, what???

I’m still not used to cheap 12 IPC bombers and now America has heavies?!

Well, you certainly earned them, so many tech misses!

Fight round 1

Can’t give you instructions on different possibilities because I’ve been playing Classic and you may not need them anyway
I’ll check back