BM 23 Playoff Final Gamerman (L+4) vs Farmboy (X)

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 17

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 17

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 armour, 6 artilleries, 2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Tsagaan Olom
              Japanese take Tsagaan Olom from Russians
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 21 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from 22 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
        1 artillery and 1 marine moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 22 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 marine moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Paulau Island
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Guam to 44 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 41 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 44 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 44 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
        Battle in Paulau Island
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry
            ANZAC defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Paulau Island
                1 artillery owned by the ANZAC lost in Paulau Island
            Japanese win, taking Paulau Island from ANZAC with 1 artillery and 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery
        Battle in Iwo Jima
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 9/12 hits, 6.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Iwo Jima
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Iwo Jima
            Japanese win, taking Iwo Jima from Americans with 5 fighters, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Volgograd
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sikang to Volgograd
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Sikang
        6 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Szechwan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Shensi
        1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Hunan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Hunan
        1 armour moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan
        1 marine moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Paulau Island to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from 22 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from 22 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Iwo Jima to 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 6 carriers, 1 cruiser and 6 submarines moved from 22 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to French Indo China
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to Malaya
        1 infantry moved from Evenkiyskiy to Timguska
        3 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 fighter moved from Sikang to Volgograd
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Sikang to French Indo China
        11 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Yunnan to French Indo China

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 artilleries placed in Malaya
        3 artilleries placed in French Indo China
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Manchuria
        2 infantry placed in Japan
        2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 75 PUs; end with 75 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 78 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 44 Sea Zone: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 1.17
Japanese regular : 4.50
ANZAC regular : 0.67
British regular : -0.33

Savegame

@farmboy If not too late, I reposted with an ncm change. Moving a fig and tac from 44 to 36

I realized a marine was left on marianas. If it is not too late, I’ll move that to a battleship in 6. Otherwise the last post is good to go.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 17

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 17

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 armour, 6 artilleries, 2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Tsagaan Olom
              Japanese take Tsagaan Olom from Russians
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 21 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from 22 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
        1 artillery and 1 marine moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 22 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 marine moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Paulau Island
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Guam to 44 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 41 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 44 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 44 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
        Battle in Paulau Island
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry
            ANZAC defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Paulau Island
                1 artillery owned by the ANZAC lost in Paulau Island
            Japanese win, taking Paulau Island from ANZAC with 1 artillery and 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery
        Battle in Iwo Jima
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 9/12 hits, 6.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Iwo Jima
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Iwo Jima
            Japanese win, taking Iwo Jima from Americans with 5 fighters, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Volgograd
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sikang to Volgograd
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Sikang
        6 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Szechwan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Shensi
        1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Hunan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Hunan
        1 armour moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan
        1 marine moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Paulau Island to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from 22 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from 22 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Iwo Jima to 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 6 carriers, 1 cruiser and 6 submarines moved from 22 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to French Indo China
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to Malaya
        1 infantry moved from Evenkiyskiy to Timguska
        3 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 fighter moved from Sikang to Volgograd
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Sikang to French Indo China
        11 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Yunnan to French Indo China

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 artilleries placed in Malaya
        3 artilleries placed in French Indo China
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Manchuria
        2 infantry placed in Japan
        2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 75 PUs; end with 75 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 78 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 44 Sea Zone: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Marianas: 1 marine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 transports
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 battleship and 1 marine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser and 2 transports
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 1.17
Japanese regular : 4.50
ANZAC regular : 0.67
British regular : -0.33

Savegame

@gamerman01 no scramble

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 17

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 17

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 12 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Bryansk
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Bryansk

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Bryansk
            Italians attack with 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys
            French defend with 1 fighter; ANZAC defend with 1 fighter
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk
                1 fighter owned by the French lost in Bryansk
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Bryansk, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Bryansk, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk
                1 fighter owned by the ANZAC lost in Bryansk
            Italians win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Italians: 2 mech_infantrys
            Casualties for French: 1 fighter
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Novgorod

    Place Units - Italians
        2 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1
        Italians collect 8 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 20 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0.17
Russians regular : 0.00

Savegame

@gamerman01 thanks! It was a great and very fun game. And while I think the dice probably balanced out too there were certainly moments if the dice hadn’t gone so badly for you where you might have gotten it early (And of course I’m referring to Bryansk here).

I hadn’t had a lot of time to consider Germany’s next turn but on my brief look, I was debating between going for Moscow the next turn (and conceding Normandy) or keeping the allies out of Europe and delaying Moscow by a turn or too.

I thought I was in a strong position in this game the last few rounds, and that I should be able to win it if I could avoid major mistakes or dicings. But I felt that the dice in G17 also made that more likely. I picked battles that were safe to win, but there was lots of room for strong defensive roles to really make me pay and put the outcome more in doubt. I was lucky the dice went my way there too.

Your allied play was a amazing. Very creative and solid and I had to be very careful.

Glad you are in the tournament again!

Have to run, but more to say later.

Happy New Years!

I think @JDOW provided a pretty good summary of our game. (thanks!) I had some random thoughts below.

One point worth noting is that while the axis had better odds in the first Bryansk battle, it was less risky for the Soviets than it appeared. For one, the odds were close (38-62). Secondly, a Soviet win was likely game winning. Third, the balance of forces was such that I would lose more high combat value units early (defensive inf vs offensive inf so a good first roll could change the odds dramatically and the Soviets could retreat if not). Fourth, even if I won, the most likely outcome was heavy attrition on both sides. And that probably would have favoured the allies as I wouldn’t be able to take and hold Volgograd and Caucasus given the allied pressure from both Moscow and the ME.

Instead, the first round went great for me. Round 1 I hit 1.33 less than average but two of my hits were from 3 AA roles and you hit 8 under. Round 2 and 3 were closer but both rounds favoured me. So while at the end of it, we were both diminished, the Soviets were far worse off than expected (down about 15 units more than I was and 2 of those were air rather than land).
So going for this was not as much of a gamble as one might think. I do think a mistake here may have been the decision to continue after the first round. And there was a second battle of Bryansk that was a similar situation that I think was also a mistake (at least after the first round) as once the battle started to go south, the Soviets were losing units that were more valuable to Moscow’s defense.

I’ll note here too that given the risk, it may also have been better for me not to create the opportunity. But I felt if I didn’t go for it then, I would not get another chance at getting Volgograd and Caucasus, and so not to do it would be game losing as well.

An alternative to the attack on Bryansk was to use blockers to delay the Germans from getting Volgograd and Caucasus forcing me to move the stack South if I wanted to take and hold them. I had a small Italian can opener available, so the cost of blockers would have been higher, but the Soviets (and the British) had units to spare. I haven’t perhaps thought this through enough, but I thought that was the other option here and one I might have tried for instead in your shoes.
I also didn’t try to take Moscow or India early because I simply couldn’t. There were a few moments where I might have had decent odds, but nothing certain and I felt more confident that I could get the game economically and those would come later. That certainly became the grand strategy. At the end of the game, I was in a position to take Moscow with 100% odds and I think was perhaps a couple of turns away from putting similar pressure on India, but it took quite a while.

Your allied play is quite challenging. Efficient and I always felt lots of pressure from multiple directions (and often that pressure wasn’t immediately obvious so I had to be very careful).

One critique I had though was that a lot of resources in the pacific were caught up in land units defending Honolulu, Sidney, and the Caroline Islands. That does make those more of a challenge to take, but I thought a lot of those units ended up being wasted. I always had the naval superiority to keep the US on the outside of the pacific but there were a couple of moments where it was somewhat close. A couple of more carriers or 5-10 more subs might have made the difference and so I wonder if that would have been a better use of resources.

The dice went back and forth but might have helped me when I needed them more. I suffered a bit in round 1 but Bryansk 1 went great for me and 2 favoured me too, if not as much. The Japanese air attack on the Chinese inf stack in round 2 also went as well as could reasonably be hoped. The game might have gone very differently if the dice had been different in any one of those.