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L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50)
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-l-50-GER3.tsvg
I am sure you know that you need to declare war on Germany with Russia to prevent the NO bug. Pls dont forget ;-)
Game History
Round: 3 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans Non Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 aaGun moved from Poland to Baltic States 4 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Romania 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Romania 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy 5 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland 1 transport moved from 119 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 119 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 119 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from France to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany 7 mech_infantrys placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 46 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris
AGRH!
Forgott to correct that damm japanese edit agin!
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@Myygames could you show me the note discussing the NO bug for Russia?
Sorry for the wrong version after Japan. I will make some minor non-combat edits in the Pacific that should not have impact on Italy or Germany’s decisions.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
@Myygames could you show me the note discussing the NO bug for Russia?
This is trippleA miscalculating the political situation in Europe. Russia is at war in Europe (with Italy) and the German sub in 125 does prevent the NO for Russia, even though Russia is not at war with Germany. The rulebook says axis warship here which a German sub is.
I have no link to any discussion to offer, but I have asked the rule gurus of this forum several times in other games and they confirmed this to be a trippleA misbehavior every time. We can do again if you like.
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@Myygames @Arthur-Bomber-Harris
have a look in Game Notes - it will be in there if I remember right
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I object that the German sub shouldn’t disrupt convoys when not at war with either the United States or Russia, but it does appear to be the rule. I edited the PUs by -5 at the end of the R3 turn.
I truly despise those Italian tanks. Worth the sacrifice to get rid of them. l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-l-50-R3.tsvg
Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 4 artilleries and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Eastern Poland 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States 1 artillery moved from Belarus to Baltic States 1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland Combat - Russians Battle in Baltic States Russians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Germans defend; Italians defend with 1 armour Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Baltic States Russians win, taking Baltic States from Italians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 armour Battle in Eastern Poland Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Germans defend; Italians defend with 1 armour Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1.17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Eastern Poland Russians win, taking Eastern Poland from Italians with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Russians 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 4 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies 1 armour moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Persia 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Yunnan 1 aaGun and 11 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus 1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel 7 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Russia 2 aaGuns and 18 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha 1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Russia Place Units - Russians 4 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Russia 1 infantry placed in Volgograd Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 42 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Unfortunately you are not allowed to move land units into territory containing friendly units during combat. I need clearance how to proceed…
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Combat: A power can’t attack a territory controlled by or containing units belonging to a power with which it is
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@Myygames do you want to ask a moderator to arbitrate since I have always been able to attack Italy if Germany doesn’t DoW?
You can redo G3 if the ruling says I can attack these territories. I will redo R3 if I lose the dispute.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
@Myygames do you want to ask a moderator to arbitrate since I have always been able to attack Italy if Germany doesn’t DoW?
You can redo G3 if the ruling says I can attack these territories. I will redo R3 if I lose the dispute.
Please check your rule book, page 14 in mine. My last post was a quote and it should leave no questions. If you do not find it we can ask the moderator for guidance.
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both issues are dealt with in Game Notes:
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(EM) If Russia is at war with Italy, but not with Germany, a German warship in sz125 will cancel Russia’s national objective (and same if at war with Germany but not Italy, and there is an Italian boat in sz125).
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(PE) You may not attack a territory containing units owned by a nation that you are not at war with (even if the territory is owned by someone you are at war with).
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@pacifiersboard said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
both issues are dealt with in Game Notes:
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(EM) If Russia is at war with Italy, but not with Germany, a German warship in sz125 will cancel Russia’s national objective (and same if at war with Germany but not Italy, and there is an Italian boat in sz125).
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(PE) You may not attack a territory containing units owned by a nation that you are not at war with (even if the territory is owned by someone you are at war with).
That is great, did. not know that the game rules are so rich!
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris i agree that you should redo Russia.
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@Myygames sure, will redo.
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l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-l-50-R3.tsvg
Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 4 artilleries and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Russians Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Russians 1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone Combat - Russians Non Combat Move - Russians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Sikang: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Chinese to Szechwan: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel 5 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 12 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk 7 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies 1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Yunnan 1 armour moved from Bryansk to Russia 2 aaGuns and 18 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Russia 1 armour moved from Caucasus to Bryansk 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Russia Place Units - Russians 4 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Russia 1 infantry placed in Volgograd Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Bryansk: 2 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Vologda: 2 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris I think the attached safe is not the revised one but the old file. Could you attach the recent one pls?
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sorry, didn’t save it properly. Redid the Russian turn.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-l-50-JAP3_scramble.tsvg
I assume this is no scramble, but pls confirm.
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no scrambles. Hope my infantry get lucky.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
no scrambles. Hope my infantry get lucky.
Yes, and I hope not ;-)
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-l-50-JAP3b.tsvg
You hit with the DD but no infantry. guess thats not the way you would like it. I will not excuse for good dice, but this certainly was good for me.
Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi Japanese take Shensi from Chinese 2 mech_infantrys moved from Shantung to Kiangsi 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 54 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Shan State 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Burma 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Szechwan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung Combat - Japanese Battle in Borneo Battle in Sumatra Battle in Celebes Battle in 54 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Celebes from Dutch with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Kwangtung Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Szechwan Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Kiangsi Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Kiangsi from Chinese with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Burma Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber UK_Pacific defend with 1 infantry Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for UK_Pacific: 1 infantry Battle in Shan State Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 1 infantry Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to Kwangsi 5 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe 1 bomber moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 2 fighters moved from Manchuria to 35 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 destroyers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to Anhwe 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Anhwe 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Shantung 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Japan 1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 46 PUs; end with 47 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 57 PUs
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