@farmboy said in League 2025 Farmboy (X) vs Axis-Dominion (L+15) BM:
you probably didn’t see my edit. Let me know if it is okay for me to add that back in.
Yeah I did miss it. Sorry. Go for it!
L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50)
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_JAP8.tsvg
Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 artilleries, 12 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur 1 fighter moved from Japan to Amur 1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Amur 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi 1 armour moved from Kweichow to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang Japanese take Sikang from Chinese 7 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Burma to India 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Celebes 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Borneo 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 39 Sea Zone to Ceylon 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in 39 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport British defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 39 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1,00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 submarine in 39 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 39 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 39 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 submarine Battle in Borneo Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Borneo, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1,50 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Borneo, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Borneo Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Battle in Amur Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Amur, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Amur, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Amur Japanese win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Ceylon Battle in Celebes Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Celebes, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1,83 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Celebes Japanese win, taking Ceylon from UK_Pacific, taking Celebes from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry Battle in Shensi Japanese attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in India Japanese attack with 7 artilleries and 13 infantry British defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 7 artilleries and 13 infantry in India, round 2 : 5/1 hits, 5,67 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in India Japanese captures 9PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital Japanese converts factory_major into different units Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 7 artilleries and 13 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 aaGun moved from Burma to India 1 armour moved from Burma to India 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow 1 armour moved from Shan State to Kweichow 2 mech_infantrys moved from Shan State to Hunan 1 aaGun moved from Shan State to French Indo China 2 tactical_bombers moved from Burma to Shantung 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shantung 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Amur to Manchuria 2 fighters moved from Japan to Shantung 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Borneo to 44 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Shan State to French Indo China Place Units - Japanese 10 infantry placed in Japan 3 artilleries placed in Shantung 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in French Indo China Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5 Japanese collect 61 PUs; end with 71 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0,67 Japanese regular : -0,00 ANZAC regular : 0,67 UK_Pacific regular : -0,67 Russians regular : 0,67 British regular : -0,17 -
l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_UK8.tsvg
Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 4 bombers, 1 fighter and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 4 bombers moved from Korea to Japan 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone Americans take 6 Sea Zone from Japanese Americans take 19 Sea Zone from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 92 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 92 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 6 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 4 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Egypt to Tobruk 2 mech_infantrys moved from Tunisia to Tobruk Combat - Americans Strategic bombing raid in Japan Japanese roll AA dice in Japan : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Bombing raid in Japan rolls: 5,5,6,6 and causes: 20 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in Japan causes 20 damage total. Battle in Greece Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Korea to Caroline Islands 4 bombers moved from Japan to Korea 2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to Midway 5 bombers moved from Western United States to Caroline Islands 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 99 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 99 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from New South Wales to South Australia Place Units - Americans 3 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone 4 bombers placed in Western United States 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 55 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 65 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese 12 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan Place Units - Chinese 2 infantry placed in Suiyuyan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British Non Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 3 fighters moved from Northwest Persia to Russia 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Persia to Northwest Persia 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 98 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 98 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Greece 1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 1 artillery moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 2 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan 1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Greece 2 fighters moved from Trans-Jordan to Greece 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Greece 1 tactical_bomber moved from West India to Trans-Jordan 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 21 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia 1 carrier, 3 cruisers and 2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone Place Units - British 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom 2 armour and 1 infantry placed in Egypt 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Persia 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa Turn Complete - British British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs Turn Complete - UK_PacificCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Japanese AA : -0.67 -
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_ITA8.tsvg
Well, I think I need to take the odds you are giving me. Its 50-50, which is actually better than my chances if I play along for a long game. At least that was my estimation of the situation, will be interesting to hear your thought on that later.
Without any sportsmnanship I say now: Good luck to me ;-)
Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 armour moved from Bryansk to Russia 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Russia Italians take Tambov from Russians 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Russia Combat - Italians Battle in Russia Italians attack with 3 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 3 fighters; Russians defend with 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 armour, 20 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 4 fighters, 61 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians roll AA dice in Russia : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Russia, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 2,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 aaGuns, 2 armour, 20 artilleries, 7 fighters, 61 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Russia, round 2 : 33/1 hits, 33,50 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians, 1 bomber owned by the Italians and 3 armour owned by the Italians lost in Russia Russians win with 3 aaGuns, 2 armour, 20 artilleries, 7 fighters, 59 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -28 Casualties for Italians: 3 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland 1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from France to Northern Italy Place Units - Italians 3 infantry placed in Southern Italy 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 9 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4,4,1,3,1,3,6,6,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,6 Italians collect 12 PUs (9 lost to blockades); end with 12 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -0,33 Russians regular : -0,50 Russians AA : -0,17 -
l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_Fr8.tsvg
Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone ANZAC take 35 Sea Zone from Japanese Combat - ANZAC Battle in 43 Sea Zone ANZAC attack with 1 submarine Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 43 Sea Zone ANZAC win, taking 43 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 fighter moved from New South Wales to 33 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from New South Wales to 33 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from New South Wales to South Australia 4 fighters moved from Northwest Persia to Russia 2 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 3 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus Non Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 1 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan Turn Complete - FrenchCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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hmmm… 50/50 but just the bombers left if you do win. I didn’t think that you would accept that battle, but lets see what happens for the dice.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris Is it ironic that you all are playing a game of low luck and the battle for Moscow is 50/50? Just embrace the dice guys!
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@crockett36 if this is were a regular luck game, I would have needed another ten units in Moscow to provide adequate defense. I would have been much more worried about being completely diced in this battle with Germany left with a fair number of tanks and planes.
Definitely changes the strategy with low-luck. Having said that, dice still play a major role. If I had shot down one German bomber previously, Moscow would easily hold this round. If Tokyo had shot down a USA bomber, the situation in the Pacific would be far less stressful.
A key part of my win over Andrew in the semi-finals was my incredible luck with strategic bombing in the mid-game. With average luck, he would have definitely won.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_GER9_surrender.tsvg
This game is over at that point, I surrender to the overwhelming allied forces!
Congratulations for a very solid game, @Arthur-Bomber-Harris ! You played nearly flawless I would say. The fact that you gave me some odds in the end might actually be no tactical mistake at all; After some contemplation about the situation I realized I would probably also have lost if I had won Moscow. I think attacking Moscow was not a good decision. Anyways I think that in the back of my head I wanted to force a decision in that game and the earlier the better.
The game was a pain in the arse, right from my mistake in J2 I felt I was suffering more and more each turn. You made use of this with masterfull skill and your play was very, very solid. You deserve to be OOB Champion 2023, congratulations!
I will write up a summary of what I think were mistakes of mine in that game, and I would like to encourage Arthur and the lurkers here to do the same. I think I have drawn some insights in this loss that will probably help me in the future and I will share here with the community. This though, will not come before sunday this week.
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@Myygames I appreciate the invitation to ask questions. And if ABH is open to it, I will ask him. I’m currently reviewing the Japan 7 misunderstanding on my youtube channel.
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@Myygames if you had a couple more bombers, you could have followed up the Moscow attack with an affordable London attack. That would have been game over for me.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
@crockett36 if this is were a regular luck game, I would have needed another ten units in Moscow to provide adequate defense. I would have been much more worried about being completely diced in this battle with Germany left with a fair number of tanks and planes.
Definitely changes the strategy with low-luck. Having said that, dice still play a major role. If I had shot down one German bomber previously, Moscow would easily hold this round. If Tokyo had shot down a USA bomber, the situation in the Pacific would be far less stressful.
A key part of my win over Andrew in the semi-finals was my incredible luck with strategic bombing in the mid-game. With average luck, he would have definitely won.
Reading between the lines, did you become less risk adverse given your disadvantageous position? In other words, did you decide to push your luck and go for broke? Which is a strategic option, right?
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Myygames: Was the Hunnan battle necessary?
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@crockett36 that is a tough question. I don’t think it was an awful idea, but I wouldn’t have done it myself. The bigger mistake was having too much devoted to deter the American fleet in the first few rounds and just a little bit too few air units to force a Chinese retreat. After that point, there was no easy decision for Japan.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris
Thank you. I did understand that. And you? Did you think the trap was worth the catch? I think I saw you move to survive in other games, keeping a plus 20 force into later rounds. Were you satisfied with exchange? -
@crockett36 with the bad dice roll, I was very happy. Usually I am content with equal unit value change for China and Japan. I came out way ahead thanks to luck.
If I was not attacked that round, I would have retreated to Yunnan the next turn. I could not stand toe to toe with Japan on this game since it was a J3 DoW. I would have had to retreat further west in subsequent rounds, losing my sweet bonus.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris Thank you for the reply. Would you play the China theatre any differently?
The Allied invasion effort in Europe looked haphazard. Was Greece your intention the whole time? Pull a bunch of slow movers to the coast and then swing around faster than he could respond? Obviously it depended on what he did, but was that plan A or B or C.
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China did their job. I wasn’t satisfied with the effectiveness of the United States in Asia. So much spending and Japan was still a strong country. Perhaps more subs and fewer bombers.
I had hoped to keep my fleet next to Normandy and have an economic war there. I soon realized it was going to become impossible to sustain it from my side so headed to Greece. Should have done it earlier
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Thanks. In round 7, you had the option to convoy 5 sea zones and bomb two factories. Was your restraint due to fear of attack on the US fleet or were you just comfortable with the edge given by bombing Japan to 20/turn.
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