L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50)

AndrewAAGamer

ABH is correct. The US sub is able to ignore all the Jap subs allowing the transport to proceed unobstructed.

Krieghund

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris A sub is a warship (though not a surface warship), so the presence of a sub allows enemy subs to be ignored for an amphibious assault.

Arthur Bomber Harris

@Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?

Myygames

@Krieghund @AndrewAAGamer Thank you for clarification.

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris This is obviously a major miskate of mine. I am fully OK if you decide to not change anything, and will of course surrender after the loss of Tokyo. I think I am anyways far from where the axis would need to be to have a chance to win this game.

Should you decide to continue with modifications I am of course willing to fight on. Nevertheless it would need to be thought on how to do that…

Arthur Bomber Harris

@Myygames , how would you propose to address the issue? Go back to non-combat moves and adjust?

Myygames

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

@Myygames , how would you propose to address the issue? Go back to non-combat moves and adjust?

I don’t think it can be done with the NCM alone. I would need to revise the build I guess.

pacifiersboard

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

uh; none I am aware of.

fierce! You might be to be congratulated?

pacifiersboard

@pacifiersboard said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

uh; none I am aware of.

fierce! You might be to be congratulated?

for sportsmanship at least!!

Arthur Bomber Harris

@Myygames redo the whole Japan turn then including builds and combat. I don’t think it is appropriate to win because of a rule misunderstanding.

Normally I get victory via superior luck.

pacifiersboard

sorry, I had loaded the page earlier and not seen all the responses that had be gone already

Myygames

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

@Myygames
Normally I get victory via superior luck.

Loool!

This is a lot sportsmanship of yourself! You are Champion allready!

I will rethink and try to give you a revised turn in die time. I am not sure it will take place today though.

Arthur Bomber Harris

No problem. Take your time. It is such an important turn with so many calculations.

Myygames

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-JAP7_edited.tsvg

I have edited the build and NCM as follows: removed 4 subs from SZ6 (+24), build 2 fighters and a INF in Japan (-23), added 1 IPC to Japan. Also, I moved a fighter from FIC to Japan. I still think my other positioning is fine, and hope I have not make other mistakes as well.

This should still give you 20% of winning the battle in Japan, but I will leave it with this. I could have aso deleted the last sub and build a fourth fighter instead of the INF (lowering the japan odds to 10%), but I am not willing to let russia take korea without convoi damage. Lots of odds here, but hey, I could have lost this game allready ;-)

Arthur Bomber Harris

@Myygames it will take me a while to do my turn

Krieghund

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

@Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?

Looks like you guys have sorted it out.

Myygames

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

@Myygames it will take me a while to do my turn

Sure! Happy holidays to you!

gamerman01

I’m just now here -
Thanksgiving yesterday -
Looks like you don’t need me at all - terrific job!

Arthur Bomber Harris

l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abhUK7.tsvg
Game History

Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 5 bombers, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 mech_infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Caroline Islands
            Americans attack with 7 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
                Japanese roll AA dice in Caroline Islands : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 6 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 4/0 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 aaGuns owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands
            Americans win, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        3 bombers moved from Western United States to Korea
        3 bombers moved from Wake Island to Korea
        1 bomber moved from Queensland to Korea
        1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 108 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar
        1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales
        1 aaGun moved from Queensland to New South Wales
        6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
        5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
        EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
              Chinese take Shensi from Japanese
        9 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar
        1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Tsinghai

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Chahar
            Chinese attack with 9 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 9 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Chahar
            Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Tsinghai
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter
            Japanese defend with 1 armour
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Tsinghai
            Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        3 infantry placed in Chahar

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 6 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 41 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 41 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to West India
        1 fighter moved from India to Northwest Persia
        3 artilleries moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 armour moved from India to Eastern Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
        3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 21 infantry moved from India to West India
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
        1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

    Place Units - British
        2 fighters placed in United Kingdom
        1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Egypt
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia
        1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 submarine placed in 39 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in India
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs
        Units Change Ownership
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry
            Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 submarine

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.00
Americans regular : -0.17
Japanese regular : 0.17
Japanese AA : 0.00

Myygames

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_ITA7.tsvg

Game History

Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour moved from Rostov to Bryansk
              Italians take Bryansk from Russians

    Combat - Italians

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Volgograd
        2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
        2 aaGuns and 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France

    Place Units - Italians
        2 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 12
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,2,3,2,4,4,6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3
        Italians collect 10 PUs (12 lost to blockades); end with 12 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Arthur Bomber Harris

l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_Fr7.tsvg

Game History

Round: 7

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 2 fighters and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 fighter moved from Korea to Sakha
        4 fighters moved from India to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Sakha
            ANZAC attack with 1 fighter
            Japanese defend with 1 armour
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 fighter in Sakha, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Sakha, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the ANZAC and 1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Sakha
            Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 cruiser and 5 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Queensland to New South Wales
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Queensland to New South Wales

    Place Units - ANZAC
        2 fighters and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 18 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        2 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        3 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.50
ANZAC regular : 0.50

L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50)

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