L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50)

Good idea to get clarification from a mod.

I also would like a neutral recommendation of a “fair” way to proceed if this was indeed a rule misunderstanding: call it a match, redo non-combat, redo the whole Japanese turn, etc?

ABH is correct. The US sub is able to ignore all the Jap subs allowing the transport to proceed unobstructed.

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris A sub is a warship (though not a surface warship), so the presence of a sub allows enemy subs to be ignored for an amphibious assault.

@Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?

@Myygames , how would you propose to address the issue? Go back to non-combat moves and adjust?

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

uh; none I am aware of.

fierce! You might be to be congratulated?

@pacifiersboard said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

uh; none I am aware of.

fierce! You might be to be congratulated?

for sportsmanship at least!!

@Myygames redo the whole Japan turn then including builds and combat. I don’t think it is appropriate to win because of a rule misunderstanding.

Normally I get victory via superior luck.

sorry, I had loaded the page earlier and not seen all the responses that had be gone already

No problem. Take your time. It is such an important turn with so many calculations.

@Myygames it will take me a while to do my turn

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

@Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?

Looks like you guys have sorted it out.

I’m just now here -
Thanksgiving yesterday -
Looks like you don’t need me at all - terrific job!

l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abhUK7.tsvg
Game History

Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 5 bombers, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 mech_infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Caroline Islands
            Americans attack with 7 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
                Japanese roll AA dice in Caroline Islands : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 6 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 4/0 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 aaGuns owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands
            Americans win, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        3 bombers moved from Western United States to Korea
        3 bombers moved from Wake Island to Korea
        1 bomber moved from Queensland to Korea
        1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 108 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar
        1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales
        1 aaGun moved from Queensland to New South Wales
        6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
        5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
        EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
              Chinese take Shensi from Japanese
        9 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar
        1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Tsinghai

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Chahar
            Chinese attack with 9 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 9 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Chahar
            Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Tsinghai
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter
            Japanese defend with 1 armour
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Tsinghai
            Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        3 infantry placed in Chahar

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 6 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 41 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 41 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to West India
        1 fighter moved from India to Northwest Persia
        3 artilleries moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 armour moved from India to Eastern Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
        3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 21 infantry moved from India to West India
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
        1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

    Place Units - British
        2 fighters placed in United Kingdom
        1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Egypt
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia
        1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 submarine placed in 39 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in India
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs
        Units Change Ownership
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry
            Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 submarine

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.00
Americans regular : -0.17
Japanese regular : 0.17
Japanese AA : 0.00