The NFL will attempt an overseas adventure with an team, i can’t say it will work or not. Worth a try, better than a small U.S market city. The London game should have been better teams, first class teams like a Dallas Cowboy and Oakland Raider match up.
Evolution Poll
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Yea I really hate that. Criminals that are killing, raping, stealing, etc. think that just cause they accept Jesus right before they die, they can do whatever the hell they want, and thus continue to kill, rape, steal, etc. Just like Maddogg stated, you can be a good person, a modern day good samaritan if you will, but if you dont accept Jesus, you are going to hell. It doesnt work that way. The day you realize you are doing wrong should be the day you start doing what is right and continue that way.
Also for the record, it doesnt matter what religion you are part of. Sure there are some religions that you may think are silly (I wont name them, but you know which ones already), but if the religion you follow helps you to become a better person in life, then by all means, stick with that religion.
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Then I might also ask which version of the Bible you are using.
I also love the admission that, for you at least, a war in the Middle East is probably a good thing… kill the heretics. What is this, Crusade #7? The previous was the Childrens Crusade, I guess this is the American Crusade…
Lastly, let me conclude with this…
BORN RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!
Done with this discussion. I am NOT going to get into a pissing contest with someone over Christianity since Christianity is a matter of BLIND FAITH, and thus immune from logic, reason, rational thought, facts, etc.
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For one thing they have a false religion and false god. (there is only one God and it isn’t Allah)
They think blowing themselves up will put them into Heaven. (which is why terriosm will never be stopped.) Perhaps they can’t hide in the open anymore like afghanistan or Iraq etc… but they’ll always be a problem. The States should be helping there own problems within there own country… help the poor people walking around the streets the hungry etc…
Terrorism is not a religion, its a tool for the purposes of a nation or an organization.
I had a teacher back in high school that was a muslim, and she said what the terrorist were doing in the name of of the Muslim religion was wrong. Nothing in the Koran said that they should be killing themselves and others for the religion. That also goes for people of the Christian world. Four wars were fought in the name of religion, these wars known as the Crusades. Does the bible not say “Thou shall not kill”? Like I said its not the religion, its the person. If the religion helps you become a good person, then thats good, but dont be be saying that the Muslim religion is a false one just because of some misled people, cause we can say that same exact thing to Christianity and Catholocism.
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King James Version by the way.
Mechanized,
you may hate it but thats the way it is, if they become truly saved later on in there life then they are going to heaven.
the bible clearly states without an argument you must be saved, and it tells you how to be saved and it also tells you and warns you about trying to get there by your “good works” or “buy your way in idea”You want logic yet you follow Science which says tihngs like Evolution.
To understand the things of God etc…. please read the bible.
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He’s right though, Switch. If you truely repent of your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior your name could be Adolf Hitler and still be allowed into heaven.
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He’s right though, Switch. If you truely repent of your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior your name could be Adolf Hitler and still be allowed into heaven.
And if y’all don;t realize just how sick and twisted that is… then I feel truly sorry for you.
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No Mercy- Do you understand that you are a religious fanatic?? You do way more harm than good. You are not enticing anyone to come and experience what GOD can do for them. Instead, you are turning more away. What do you think about that Spanky??
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He’s right though, Switch. If you truely repent of your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior your name could be Adolf Hitler and still be allowed into heaven.
So you are telling me that if Adolf Hitler, after killing 6 million jews, ruining the lives of millions of other people, just repented right before he died, he would be saved? Do you hear yourself speak? Thats a retorical question, dont answer it.
If you have read the bible, Jesus once gave a symbolic story (as he did many times), about some workers who had worked in a field. One of the workers had been there since the early morning. Another one of the workers had been there since noon and another had been there since the late evening. When it was time to pay the salaries of the day, the boss had given everyone the same pay. The workers that had been there for a long time complained, but the boss explained saying that the person who worked from the evening had worked just as hard as the worker that started from the morning. I dont know if I told the story accurately, but its along those lines, and perhaps this is why you guys think that repenting early on in your life or later in your life, will still garner you a way into heaven.
But theres is a BIG difference between repenting late in your life, and repenting right before you die (which is what most criminals do right before they get executed for their crimes.)
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the thing is Hitler wouldn’t repent….
so its not twised and sick as you may think
and why is the King James Version the problem? it is the best version to use.
they took I don’t know how many translators to translate that from the jewish language to english.I am unsure why you are calling me a fanatic?
I am not forcing this upon anyone. I am stating that men choose to sin on there own free will and because of sin you cannot enter into heaven unless you are saved.people who are good there whole lives wont get there for being good. Life if you have realized isn’t fair, so if they knew the truth that they had to be saved and arn’t then its there own fault.
you are a non-religious fanatic then? oops did I just say that… :evil:
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and why is the King James Version the problem? it is the best version to use.
It is filled with translation errors.
Some scholars working with Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew versions regard the KJV as an inferior English translation of the Bible (see Dynamic equivalence). They suggest that its value lies in its poetic language at the cost of accuracy in translation. Because of linguistic research and more recently available manuscripts, the KJV is regarded as a poor representation of ancient scripture by such scholars. Many of today’s leading exegetes (Walter Brueggemann, Marcus Borg, Warren Carter, James L. Crenshaw, Robert W. Funk, John Dominic Crossan, and N.T. Wright) do not endorse the KJV for Masters or Doctoral-level exegetical work
It had missing sections.
The original printing of the King James Version included the Apocrypha, so named in the text. It contained all the books and sections of books present in the Latin Vulgate’s Old Testament but missing in the Hebrew. Under the Thirty-Nine Articles, the doctrinal confession of the Church of England established in 1563, these books were considered non-canonical. This section also includes apocrypha from the Vulgate’s appendix. (For more information, see the article on the Biblical canon.) These texts are printed separately, between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. Verses unique to the Septuagint’s version of the Book of Esther and the Book of Daniel (The Prayer of Azariah, Bel and the Dragon, Susanna) were placed here, rather than included in the texts of those books. From approximately 1827, many editions have omitted this section, and the most common contemporary editions rarely include them.
Lastly, there are huge chunks of missing info that predate KJV that were not added back in. For example, in Isaiah 34:14, do you think the reference is to a literal screech owl? It isn’t. It relates to an entire section of Genesis that is no longer present…
I’ll let you figure out WHO the “screech owl” is…
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Well at least my sht makes perfect sense doesn’t it!!! Unlike you wacky christians,catholics, muslims etc. So much good there, yet so much horsesht. I have been sent to straighten you religious people out. What a job!!! If nonsense is uncovered, then you continually try to justify it. I have my job cut out for me & I love a good challenge!!!
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The problem is you trust the words of man and not the things of God
the reference to a screech owl is correct. its actually referring to a screech owl, because in that chapter its talking about the destruction of the nations. screech owls ussually make there homes in desolated and ruined lands where no other animals would make there homes.
as to you letting me guess who the owl was you were probably referring to the Myth of Adams first wife Lilith correct? which is exactly what I have stated, a Myth.
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Yes, and the “she” reference is irrelevant.
If Lilith is a myth, yet refered to in other versions of the Bible, then why not just say the bible itself is a myth?
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I honestly don’t think there are other options, Jerm. I only see two options for the after-life:
That’s your opinion. Mine is that you’re wrong. This thought is also alienating for any non-Christians out there. No way I’m spending my time in heaven with you party poopers.
In that regard, yes. I have a very closed mind. Jesus specifically said no one can approach the Father except through him. So, to me, that means you cannot go to heaven unless you accept Jesus as savior. But then again, as I also said, I’m not the one making the decisions. Maybe God has different rules for different religions.
Perhaps you should?
I am not forcing this upon anyone. I am stating that men choose to sin on there own free will and because of sin you cannot enter into heaven unless you are saved.
people who are good there whole lives wont get there for being good. Life if you have realized isn’t fair, so if they knew the truth that they had to be saved and arn’t then its there own fault.
Insisting that there is a heaven (going on nothing more than hope), and then saying “that’s the way it is,” is indeed forcing it down others’ throats.
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I honestly don’t think there are other options, Jerm. I only see two options for the after-life:
That’s your opinion. Mine is that you’re wrong. This thought is also alienating for any non-Christians out there. No way I’m spending my time in heaven with you party poopers.
regardless of how you feel personally about something - i.e. that you feel alienated by it - is sadly your problem. If you do not feel that attempts have been made to prevent you from an eternity without God, then that is the problem of Christians around you, but if you simply don’t like the theology and feel that Christians are trying to edge you out of life because of it, then that’s too bad. Afterall - this is a 2000 year-old message - it wasn’t generated for Jermofoot, but to give people a choice as to how they wanted to spend their life and the afterlife.
I am not forcing this upon anyone. I am stating that men choose to sin on there own free will and because of sin you cannot enter into heaven unless you are saved.
people who are good there whole lives wont get there for being good. Life if you have realized isn’t fair, so if they knew the truth that they had to be saved and arn’t then its there own fault.
Insisting that there is a heaven (going on nothing more than hope), and then saying “that’s the way it is,” is indeed forcing it down others’ throats.
no it isn’t. you have had nothing forced on you. People have cared enough to tell you that this is the way through the afterlife, either take it or don’t. As far as i can see it, revealing information to you about the end of your time would be more freeing, allowing you more options, than “forcing something down your throat”. You don’t like the message - fine, but don’t shoot the messenger.
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When combined with things such as Jen’s statement about government established Christian Schools, or with statements from folks like Katherine Harris last week… then YES, it IS being attempted to be “forced down our throats.”
And the typical response from the Christian Right when anyone voices objection is “if you don;t like it, go to another country.”
That my friend IS forcing it upon those of us who are not fundamentalist Christians.
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@ncscswitch:
When combined with things such as Jen’s statement about government established Christian Schools, or with statements from folks like Katherine Harris last week… then YES, it IS being attempted to be “forced down our throats.”
And the typical response from the Christian Right when anyone voices objection is “if you don;t like it, go to another country.”
That my friend IS forcing it upon those of us who are not fundamentalist Christians.
well,
given that none of this seems to pertain to the discussion at hand, then it seems to be just irrelevant whining. Like - in the same vein, i could whine about your pagan beliefs being forced down my throat. They aren’t, but i really don’t see a difference. -
@cystic:
regardless of how you feel personally about something - i.e. that you feel alienated by it - is sadly your problem. If you do not feel that attempts have been made to prevent you from an eternity without God, then that is the problem of Christians around you, but if you simply don’t like the theology and feel that Christians are trying to edge you out of life because of it, then that’s too bad. Afterall - this is a 2000 year-old message - it wasn’t generated for Jermofoot, but to give people a choice as to how they wanted to spend their life and the afterlife.
I see what you are saying - but do you think Jesus’ intent was for people to separate themselves as group from others not included? I doubt it. I’m fine with keeping my options open; perhaps I’ll have my own revelation and decide that God exists and is wonderful, but currently I’m disinterested. I’m still a capable human being, and as long as I’m not impeding you from doing what you want, then we’re hunky-dorey.
no it isn’t. you have had nothing forced on you. People have cared enough to tell you that this is the way through the afterlife, either take it or don’t. As far as i can see it, revealing information to you about the end of your time would be more freeing, allowing you more options, than “forcing something down your throat”. You don’t like the message - fine, but don’t shoot the messenger.
In my experience - and maybe I should have not used the word “forced” - my reputation & peace of mind are in jeopardy simply because I don’t belong to a specific group. And the more I think about it, Christianity seems more and more like any other social group: you have the “ins” and “outs,” and conciously or not, the ins push the outs away, unless they assimilate. However, I’m not saying this is indicative of all Christians or Christianity itself, just the byproduct of humans and social organization. Also, I’m not trying to come off as railing religion - it’s not my cup of tea, and I want people to practice what they wish. Just recognize that not everyone is doing the same as you.
@ncscswitch:
That my friend IS forcing it upon those of us who are not fundamentalist Christians.
Not to mention counter to what/why this country was founded in the first place.
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CC,
I tend not to deal with this issue in purely theoretical terms. When I see discussions like this, when I see the blind faith, the proselytizing, the attempts to intertwine religion and government… I see those on a real world level.
I see the Christian Coalition and othes of their ilk trying to get not prayer, but explicitly and exclisvuely Christian Prayer in schools.
I see the entire ID/Creationism issue as a way of getting the Book of Geneis being taught as FACT in schools.
I see a real world push to put conservative fundamentalist Christians in public office in order to legislate THEIR views, and use the enforcement power of the Imperial Federal Government to mandate compliance under threat of fine or imprisonment.Just look at some of the “theoreticals” that have been posted here, and what many of these so-called Christians want to do to their fellow Americans simply because they do not follow their particular religious outlook. Just this morning I had to delete a post that violated this forum’s policies that advocated death for a variety of non-Christian groups.
Do we REALLY want to allow that type of behavior and outlook on life to be placed in control of our government? To give those people the means to actually carry out their plans for “purification” of America as a Christian nation?
I certainly do not…
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