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Again, the only way to God is through his son Jesus of Nazereth.  I don’t care if budda kissed you on the forehead, according to what’s written in the Bible, you cannot get to heaven unless you accept Jesus as lord and savior.

And no, I don’t believe in original sin.  You will sin though.  No one is perfect, all are in sin.  Just disobeying your parents is a sin, and everyone’s done that at one time or another.

King James Version by the way.

Mechanized,

you may hate it but thats the way it is, if they become truly saved later on in there life then they are going to heaven.
the bible clearly states without an argument you must be saved, and it tells you how to be saved and it also tells you and warns you about trying to get there by your “good works” or “buy your way in idea”

You want logic yet you follow Science which says tihngs like Evolution.

To understand the things of God etc…. please read the bible.

He’s right though, Switch.  If you truely repent of your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior your name could be Adolf Hitler and still be allowed into heaven.

the thing is Hitler wouldn’t repent….

so its not twised and sick as you may think

and why is the King James Version the problem? it is the best version to use.
they took I don’t know how many translators to translate that from the jewish language to english.

I am unsure why you are calling me a fanatic?
I am not forcing this upon anyone. I am stating that men choose to sin on there own free will and because of sin you cannot enter into heaven unless you are saved.

people who are good there whole lives wont get there for being good. Life if you have realized isn’t fair, so if they knew the truth that they had to be saved and arn’t then its there own fault.

you are a non-religious fanatic then? oops did I just say that… :evil:

The problem is you trust the words of man and not the things of God

the reference to a screech owl is correct. its actually referring to a screech owl, because in that chapter its talking about the destruction of the nations. screech owls ussually make there homes in desolated and ruined lands where no other animals would make there homes.

as to you letting me guess who the owl was you were probably referring to the Myth of Adams first wife Lilith correct? which is exactly what I have stated, a Myth.

@Jennifer:

I honestly don’t think there are other options, Jerm.  I only see two options for the after-life:

That’s your opinion.  Mine is that you’re wrong.  This thought is also alienating for any non-Christians out there.  No way I’m spending my time in heaven with you party poopers.

@Jennifer:

In that regard, yes.  I have a very closed mind.  Jesus specifically said no one can approach the Father except through him.  So, to me, that means you cannot go to heaven unless you accept Jesus as savior.  But then again, as I also said, I’m not the one making the decisions.  Maybe God has different rules for different religions.

Perhaps you should?

@NoMercy:

I am not forcing this upon anyone. I am stating that men choose to sin on there own free will and because of sin you cannot enter into heaven unless you are saved.

people who are good there whole lives wont get there for being good. Life if you have realized isn’t fair, so if they knew the truth that they had to be saved and arn’t then its there own fault.

Insisting that there is a heaven (going on nothing more than hope), and then saying “that’s the way it is,” is indeed forcing it down others’ throats.

@Jermofoot:

@Jennifer:

I honestly don’t think there are other options, Jerm.  I only see two options for the after-life:

That’s your opinion.  Mine is that you’re wrong.  This thought is also alienating for any non-Christians out there.  No way I’m spending my time in heaven with you party poopers.

regardless of how you feel personally about something - i.e. that you feel alienated by it - is sadly your problem.  If you do not feel that attempts have been made to prevent you from an eternity without God, then that is the problem of Christians around you, but if you simply don’t like the theology and feel that Christians are trying to edge you out of life because of it, then that’s too bad.  Afterall - this is a 2000 year-old message - it wasn’t generated for Jermofoot, but to give people a choice as to how they wanted to spend their life and the afterlife.

@NoMercy:

I am not forcing this upon anyone. I am stating that men choose to sin on there own free will and because of sin you cannot enter into heaven unless you are saved.

people who are good there whole lives wont get there for being good. Life if you have realized isn’t fair, so if they knew the truth that they had to be saved and arn’t then its there own fault.

Insisting that there is a heaven (going on nothing more than hope), and then saying “that’s the way it is,” is indeed forcing it down others’ throats.

no it isn’t.  you have had nothing forced on you.  People have cared enough to tell you that this is the way through the afterlife, either take it or don’t.  As far as i can see it, revealing information to you about the end of your time would be more freeing, allowing you more options, than “forcing something down your throat”.  You don’t like the message - fine, but don’t shoot the messenger.

@ncscswitch:

When combined with things such as Jen’s statement about government established Christian Schools, or with statements from folks like Katherine Harris last week… then YES, it IS being attempted to be “forced down our throats.”

And the typical response from the Christian Right when anyone voices objection is “if you don;t like it, go to another country.”

That my friend IS forcing it upon those of us who are not fundamentalist Christians.

well,
given that none of this seems to pertain to the discussion at hand, then it seems to be just irrelevant whining.  Like - in the same vein, i could whine about your pagan beliefs being forced down my throat.  They aren’t, but i really don’t see a difference.

@cystic:

regardless of how you feel personally about something - i.e. that you feel alienated by it - is sadly your problem.  If you do not feel that attempts have been made to prevent you from an eternity without God, then that is the problem of Christians around you, but if you simply don’t like the theology and feel that Christians are trying to edge you out of life because of it, then that’s too bad.  Afterall - this is a 2000 year-old message - it wasn’t generated for Jermofoot, but to give people a choice as to how they wanted to spend their life and the afterlife.

I see what you are saying - but do you think Jesus’ intent was for people to separate themselves as group from others not included?  I doubt it.  I’m fine with keeping my options open; perhaps I’ll have my own revelation and decide that God exists and is wonderful, but currently I’m disinterested.  I’m still a capable human being, and as long as I’m not impeding you from doing what you want, then we’re hunky-dorey.

no it isn’t.  you have had nothing forced on you.  People have cared enough to tell you that this is the way through the afterlife, either take it or don’t.  As far as i can see it, revealing information to you about the end of your time would be more freeing, allowing you more options, than “forcing something down your throat”.  You don’t like the message - fine, but don’t shoot the messenger.

In my experience - and maybe I should have not used the word “forced” - my reputation & peace of mind are in jeopardy simply because I don’t belong to a specific group.  And the more I think about it, Christianity seems more and more like any other social group: you have the “ins” and “outs,” and conciously or not, the ins push the outs away, unless they assimilate.  However, I’m not saying this is indicative of all Christians or Christianity itself, just the byproduct of humans and social organization.  Also, I’m not trying to come off as railing religion - it’s not my cup of tea, and I want people to practice what they wish.  Just recognize that not everyone is doing the same as you.

@ncscswitch:

That my friend IS forcing it upon those of us who are not fundamentalist Christians.

Not to mention counter to what/why this country was founded in the first place.