Why is surrender not an option in the original game?

@shadowhawk which tournament rules do you use? Have a link?

I’ll add to Grim’s post a small note.

If able, start bombing Moscow.  Use Japan’s bomber(s) if needed.  They can hit from Western China.  Have Japan keep casually gobbling up Eastern Russia to pinch their economy more.

@Argothair:

My play group is very considerate about trying to (a) identify when the game isn’t much worth playing anymore, and then (2) accurately describe the likely outcome of the game.

Right, like there are no hard-and-fast rules about “oh, you lost your capital, or you lost Cairo, or you’re making 30 IPCs less per turn, so it’s game over.” Instead we look at the board and try to see if there are battles or campaigns coming up that are likely (>10%?) to make a dramatic impact on the state of the game, especially campaigns where the underdog is going on the offensive, or where the apparent favorite is in danger of being pushed back if they lose a key attack. E.g. it matters a lot whether Germany has one stack next door to Moscow, with nothing to reinforce it if that stack is destroyed, vs. a steady stream of reinforcements and a huge stack next to Moscow. In the former case, Moscow could recover if it fends off a German battle with 80% odds to take Moscow. In the latter case, even if Moscow pulls out that 20% from the dice, they will still have 80% odds to die one turn later, so it’s not a big deal. The former position is interesting and worth playing on if we can manage to find time for a second session; the latter position is not interesting and the game should be called.

When we call a game, we don’t insist on unconditional surrender. Instead, we try to agree on what the game looks like. For example, “the Allies are way ahead, but the Axis still have a slight chance.” Or, “It’s hard to say for sure who’s winning, but it looks like the Axis have a slight edge.” Sometimes we don’t always precisely agree – one side might claim the Allies are ahead by “a little” while the other side might claim the Allies have “a significant lead,” but so far we have always at least agreed on which side has the edge, even if not by how much.

Hey!  I am in your play group and what you are saying is…. basically right.  Although have we played global together?  Don’t recall honestly

@Frederick:

Great videos YG, I own 1940 europe 2nd edition and the factories are really annoying to pick up. But since you pointed out that you can use monopoly cottages and hotels as factories I am starting to use them and its much easier to use and I also use monopoly money its much easier to use then paper and pencil. Again great videos. :-D

BTW when is your japan run through coming out?

Hey Frederick II, Thanks for your comments, glad to help… part 4 of the runthrough series (japan) should be posted on the weekend or early next week.

The Axis should not win unless you really out maneuver the allies. By 1942, the axis were really in a bad spot since they had not made enough gains before the US onslaught came. If you want a historically accurate game, meaning not having to play it the way the war really went, but being to make your own decisions with the conditions that existed in 1942, and want a balanced game, 1942 is not the year to start.

I would love to see a 1939 game, but I wonder if that would be too long. The 1940 2nd edition in my opinion is where you should stay. I know there is a 1941 game but have not played it.

Several people have said they will make charts and whatnot when the official final set is released.

Thank you Tex for providing what you have made.

@Gargantua:

That makes it obviously quite difficult to persuade other people to play with me…

Lie.

It’s only that long now, because people are still JUST starting to play.

I think that he said his group hadn’t played it before, so I think it would still take a while.  And even if all the players are used to the game, it is much longer than previous A&A games.

Random note: a lie is to deliberately mislead someone.  That’s not what polybios is doing, so you shouldn’t accuse him of it.

The two games that I have finished (in one go) have lasted 13 and 15 hours respectively.  I have played 4 others in an ongoing format where we would play a turn every other day.  All of these games lasted over a week.