• @Jennifer:

    Or how often is that lone battleship going to single handedly shoot down the entire luftwaffe and a u-boat?

    You are exagerating if it is the battle I am thinking of…  Germany came ultra-light to SZ13:  only 2 FIGs and a SUB if my memory has not failed me.  4 FIGs and a SUB is pertty normal to provide for death of the BB in 1 round (typically), with a 33% chance that the sub will even live.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Bah, 2 Fig, 1 SS should be plenty. :P

    4 Fig is way over kill, especially when I can use those fighters for something else…then again, *****  I  *****  Normally go with BB, Trn, Sub, Fig after the Gibraltar sub.


  • Sub and 2 fighters means you could lose sub and fighter to the battleship.  You easily risk losing TWO fighters.

    Sub and 4 fighters minimizes the loss to one sub, or perhaps, one sub and one fighter.  You COULD get hammered on luck and lose more, but it’s unlikely.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    SS + 4 FIG also means you’re short 2 FIGs elsewhere.  And if Russia killed 2 FIGs then you are basically dedicating your entire air force to kill off one lousy battleship.

    Surviving Attackers (started with 2 Fig, 1 Sub.)

    Surviving Defenders (started with 1 Bat.)

    Overall %*: A. survives: 90% D. survives: 6% No survivors:4%

    • percentages may not total 100 due to rounding.

    Attacker results:
    Probability % # units
      22% 3: 2 Fig, 1 Sub.
      45% 2: 2 Fig.
      23% 1: 1 Fig.
      10% 0: no units.
    Defender results:
    Probability % # units
      1% 2: 1 Bat.
      5% 1: 1 dBat.
      94% 0: no units.

    90% chance of success with 2 fighters and a submarine.  That’s friggin stellar!  That’s 10% more then I like to see in an attack!

    Surviving Attackers (started with 4 Fig, 1 Sub.)

    Surviving Defenders (started with 1 Bat.)

    Overall %*: A. survives: 100% D. survives: 0% No survivors:0%

    • percentages may not total 100 due to rounding.

    Attacker results:
    Probability % # units
      28% 5: 4 Fig, 1 Sub.
      61% 4: 4 Fig.
      10% 3: 3 Fig.
      1% 2: 2 Fig.
    Defender results:
    Probability % # units
      100% 0: no units.

    Yea, so now you have 100%.  You sacrifice 2 fighters that could be used in repelling the Russian attack for 10% better chance to sink a battleship.  Sounds like a waste to me, but hey, if you want to go that route, more power too you!  I’d love to have your fighters off the Eastern Front and not attacking my Russians!  I’ll wipe the eastern half of Europe off the map before you even get a chance to recover those fighters to any usable place.  Meanwhile, now your armor and artillery is destroyed and the Americans and British are threatening heavy landings in Western Europe, tieing down more assets all because you decided to waste your firepower on massive over kill isntead of reclaiming eastern europe provinces for Germany.  All for a measely 10% extra chance of survival from a battle you’d be able to retreat from at will anyway.

    Not to mention, one you shouldnt BE in.  You shoulda gone SS, BB, TRN, FIG vs BB  Which, btw gives you thus:

    Outcomes of 10,000 battles

    Surviving Attackers (started with 1 Fig, 1 Tra, 1 Sub, 1 Bat.)

    Surviving Defenders (started with 1 Bat.)

    Overall %*: A. survives: 99% D. survives: 0% No survivors:0%

    • percentages may not total 100 due to rounding.
      Attacker results:
      Probability % # units
        24% 5: 1 Fig, 1 Tra, 1 Sub, 1 Bat.
        56% 4: 1 Fig, 1 Tra, 1 Sub, 1 dBat.
        17% 3: 1 Fig, 1 Sub, 1 dBat.
        2% 2: 1 Fig, 1 dBat.
      Defender results:
      Probability % # units
        100% 0: no units.

    Again, almost 100% chance of victory, gives you the ability to use your fighters more productively and positions your fleet in such a way to secure Africa from Allied invasion on G2.  Also, if you bring an infantryman, you can prevent any serious counter attack by England’s air farce.  Win/Win/Win for Germany.  (And before you ask, put your bid in N. Africa to take out Egypt and kill off the DD with a fighter, or ignore it.  It’s one lousy DD and if England goes BMB, DD vs BB, SS, TRN you’re going to win.)


  • Give up on your pipe dream of Russia killing 2 FIGs.

    You CAN do it, but the cost is prohibitive.

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