@simon33 Sorry. Travelling. Will continue on Sunday or Monday.
Re Nornandy. Yes, sorry, I wanted to write a note (that you edit it) with a savegame but forgot.
L22 playoff game Pejon_88 (X+6) vs. AoW (A) PTV
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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Politics - Italians Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Italians 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya Italians take Kenya from British 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 98 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Albania to Greece 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece Combat - Italians Battle in 98 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone Italians win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Greece Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2,17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 0/7 hits, 2,17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Greece, round 4 : 4/7 hits, 2,17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk 1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Tobruk 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy Place Units - Italians 1 destroyer placed in 99 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5 Italians collect 14 PUs; end with 16 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -1,50 Neutral_Allies regular : -1,67 British regular : -0,33Well, MARTI was only on the Axis side during Round 1.
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Round: 2 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 carrier, 3 infantry, 2 marines and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Inner Mongolia Japanese take Inner Mongolia from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Honan Japanese take Honan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei Japanese take Hopei from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese Combat - Japanese Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 34 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to 132 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 7 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 2 infantry moved from Fukien to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 132 Sea Zone to Siam 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 mech_infantry moved from Shansi to Kiangsi 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe 1 artillery moved from Shansi to Anhwe 1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Caroline Islands 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Caroline Islands 1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Siam 1 fighter moved from Jehol to Japan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Fukien 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Fukien 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe Place Units - Japanese 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu 2 marines placed in Japan 1 carrier and 2 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 48 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Round: 2 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 airfield; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Cyprus 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Crete 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to British Somaliland Italians take British Somaliland from British 1 infantry moved from Kenya to Belgian Congo Italians take Belgian Congo from British 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone Combat - Italians Battle in Crete Battle in Cyprus Battle in 94 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 submarine French defend with 1 cruiser Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 cruiser in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 cruiser in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 cruiser in 94 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 94 Sea Zone French win, taking Crete from Neutral_Allies, taking Cyprus from British with 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Italians 1 fighter moved from Tobruk to Greece 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia Italians take Tunisia from Neutral_Axis 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 2 armour moved from Greece to Romania 2 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria Place Units - Italians 1 airfield placed in Greece Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2 Italians collect 13 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 14 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@artofwar1947 I forgot to move my Italian fleet in NCM to SZ101 to protect the transports together with the newly built AB. Will you allow that now?
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I will allow the edit if you will allow me to move the Russian units in Western Ukraine I incomprehensibly moved to or left in the Ukraine.
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@artofwar1947 sure, make the edit.
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Round: 3 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 9 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Germans Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia Germans take Bessarabia from Russians 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States Germans take Baltic States from Russians 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia Germans take Karelia from Russians 1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg Germans take Vyborg from Russians 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 128 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Germans creates battle in territory 109 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 109 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 126 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in 109 Sea Zone British defend with 2 destroyers and 1 submarine Battle in 128 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine Russians defend with 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 128 Sea Zone Germans winBritish win with 2 destroyers and 1 submarine remaining, taking 128 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 7 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 7 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 2 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 23 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia 3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Poland 1 bomber moved from 128 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Greece 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 1 destroyer placed in 116 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Germany 3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 47 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 55 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@artofwar1947 And thank you!
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@artofwar1947 So tiresome that the engine doesn’t seem to warn about to few landing spots during combat move… I have moved my planes as best I can to make space for all planes, but there seems to be none for the Malaya fig that’s left. What do you propose? Re-play the round, let it go down (which would’ve been an illegal move). Sorry!
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@pejon_88 *too few
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@pejon_88 said in L22 playoff game Pejon_88 (X+6) vs. AoW (A) PTV:
@artofwar1947 So tiresome that the engine doesn’t seem to warn about to few landing spots during combat move… I have moved my planes as best I can to make space for all planes, but there seems to be none for the Malaya fig that’s left. What do you propose? Re-play the round, let it go down (which would’ve been an illegal move). Sorry!
Though I never seen the program allow an illegal move, I suppose this is possible. (I have seen it choose an aircraft with more remaining spaces chosen as a loss over an aircraft with fewer remaining spaces. But that does not seem to apply here.)
An alternative is that moving a fighter from Kwangsi to Malaya was legal according to the logic of the program but that your NCM did not conform to this logic (i.e., the program figured that fighter that attacked Malaya from Kwangsi was supposed to land on the CV now in 132). It would take a deep analysis to figure out which is true or if there is another reason.I would rather not redo the whole CM and combat. The allies scored 3 hits on 10 rolls at 2–slightly better than the 2.67 hits expected: 2.67. I don’t trust Marti to be so kind in a redo.
As I see it, you have three options:
- Do the deep but time-consuming analysis and figure out if you can adjust your NCM to comply with program’s logic (if the analysis indicates this is the case).
- Redo the battle of Malaya only, leaving the otherwise stranded fighter out of fight (leaving it in Kwangsi).
- Leave the map as it is and ditch the stranded fighter.
I’d prefer Option 3 :), but sportsmanship dictates I could accept Option 1 or 2.
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I played through the NCM and got the message: Airunits cannot land in Malaya. You have 1 carrier on which planes can land.
So the program, either due to a fault in its logic or your NCM not conforming to its correct logic, clearly believes a carrier is available to land fighter in Malaya.
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@artofwar1947 I do believe there was an error "done2 by the engine since if you do NCMs with one air at the time, there is however you do it one too few landing spots on ACs/previously controlled territories. At least that’s what I get. I am very fine with redoing the Malaya battle here in the thread if you’re ok with that leaving out the Kwangsi fig.
Shall we go by that approach?
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