22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12)

@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):

@666 I didnt move the French; it’s plain and obvious, but so be it. I do understand we did a reroll and I’ll still give you the win if you would like.

Good morning, being that we are in a playoff game, there are only so many, “oops, I made a mistake, can I” that I am going to be cool with. Don’t get me wrong, I make plenty of mistakes but when I do, I simply live with it. They happen, I think if we can follow the rules, as best we can, as written, the better.

Depending on where you want to move that F dd, it could have had an impact on Japan’s turn.

Mentioning, allowing you to change the UK combat move before re-rolling a turn, was perhaps for my benefit, reminding myself that I have been quite fair.

If moving the French units now is important to you, then go ahead, as long as you allow me the same, 2 very late ncm. And perhaps we can agree to no more “oops, I made a mistake” requests going forward?

@max334 good morning Max, I hope you are well.

The last thing I want is for you to have a bad experience here, I am pleased that you are playing on this site and in this league, and PLAYOFFS!

I believe that the best A&A players from around the world play here and our Playoffs are like our World Cup or Superbowl, for most of us it is pretty serious, it is for me at least. I’ve never beaten Ghostglider and I want to beat him this year!

When you say I have won, I can tell you that this isn’t the case in the game, as there is a LONG way to go, trust me.

With respect to our Playoffs and the League. Years ago we created the League as a way to record our statistics and to recognize the best players. Games in the league and certainly in the playoffs are more serious, as we record our league champion afterwards! I believe you will find that most, if not all, players playing for the championship would request a tight adherence to the rules.

There is another section/thread to play games called Play Boardgames, stats aren’t collected here and it is a great place to play a more relaxed game or to test strategies etc… I would love to play against you in that thread too, let me know if you would prefer this.

As an FYI, I could personally show you multiple “Oops” i’ve made in the league, where I have moved on from my blunder and tried to learn from my oversights. It happens, but mistakes in the game and war lead to losses. I would love to continue this game with you, our first I believe, but understand if you don’t want to play such a serious game. Again, I am happy for you to move both French pieces, as long as you will grant me the same request and we agree to eliminate these requests going forward.

I hope all this makes sense to you, and I appreciate the time you have taken to share your thoughts. Are you willing to buckle up and play the hardest A&A game of your life? If you do beat me in this game your next opponent will probably be tougher to beat! If not, let’s play in the play boardgames thread, with whatever house rules you want.

Speak soon,
Jim

@max334, perhaps it would be good to talk about NCM edits for a second.

Typically if this is done immediately after a turn/file being posted and before your opponent starts their turn, you simply update the file, say “sorry’ for the edit and post the change. The “sorry” is just curtesy as you don’t know if your opponent has started planning their turn. PtV is, imo, the most complex of AA games and some turns take a lot of planning. I have rarely if even gotten grief from an opponent when doing this.

If your opponent has moved, or multiple countries moves have taken place then, as you did, a request needs to be made about the NCM edit before proceeding. And it has been my experience that the requester is at the mercy of his/her opponent at this juncture.

Hope this makes sense. Let me know if you have any questions.

@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):

I read your reply, but I was out of town yesterday. Without too much back and forth, let me just say that I am willing to continue our game, if you feel you can deal with my future requests to make, after the fact, changes. You can then just ignore this request, deny it or maybe even allow them. Have you ever played Trulpen? I’ve come to like his style. He just makes game edits if its non-consequential and may or may not even tell you that he made them. At first I was taken aback by this brazen behavior, but I came to learn that he’s a very fair and honorable player.
But, do not be worried, I will not make after the fact edits. I will do as you ask and BUCKLE-UP, not CRY, and learn to live with my mistakes. But again I know my old brain will miss something and I will then ask to make an edit and you, of course can do the same of me. I understand that you dont necessarily like to do that, but if you do I will most likely grant your request and that should not have any bearing on whether you grant mine or not.

Hi Max, yes I’ve played Trulpen, many, many times. Not in quite a while though, and he never made edit’s like this when we played that I am aware. But it’s all good brother, we will make this work! It’s my old brain (57) versus yours. looking forward to your move. Take care, speak soon.

@max334 Full scramble in sz99, Max DD and no scramble in Sumatra.

Thanks

@666 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):

@max334 Full scramble in sz99, Max DD and no scramble in Sumatra.

Thanks

Max D…keep the fighters alive until the end.

@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):

so my name is Thomas, I’m 54 yrs old and I live in Columbus, GA. Where abouts are you?
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Oh jeez, sorry about that Thomas….what’s the story with Max334”
I’m in Somers CT.
I’ve been to Atlanta a dozen times. Never Columbus.

@max334

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 

    Politics - Italians
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 83 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from British Somaliland to Ethiopia
              Italians take Ethiopia from British

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 83 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber
            British defend with 1 transport; French defend with 1 destroyer
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber in 83 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 83 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the French and 1 bomber owned by the Italians lost in 83 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber
            Casualties for French: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
              Italians take Morocco from Neutral_Axis
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
              Italians take Tunisia from Neutral_Axis
        1 artillery moved from Libya to Tobruk
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
        1 armour moved from Greece to Romania
        1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0.50
British regular : 0.67

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@max334 no thanks Thomas

@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):

your welcome Jim… and thank you for rolling high
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666………it’s what I do

@max334

There is a scramble option for you here, typically if a battle with a scramble option is 90-100% victory, which this is, I usually proceed with the battle and decide not to scramble my opponents aircraft, as I have a 90-100% chance of winning and destroying those units. If in fact my opponent wanted to scramble, and tells me immediately after the turn, we would re-roll that single 66-G3 scramble.tsvg battle. I don’t believe we have agreed to this yet, as this is our first game.

Let me know if you want to scramble here, and if you want to move forward with the above agreement going forward.

Thanks Thomas

@max334 I get it, I tend to ask more often than not, some players get annoyed with me, it does slow down the game. I’ll get to this tonight.

@max334

Game History

Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        5 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia
        1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia
        2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Karelia
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
              Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
              Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus
              Germans take Northern Belarus from Russians
        3 armour, 3 artilleries, 14 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 93 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Americans scrambles 2 units out of Gibraltar to defend against the attack in 93 Sea Zone
        Battle in 93 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 6 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter; French defend with 1 fighter; Americans defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports
            1 submarine owned by the Americans submerged
                Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/10 hits, 5.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 transports in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 2 fighters owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the French lost in 93 Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 93 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 transports in 93 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 transports owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 93 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29
            Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Casualties for French: 1 fighter
        Battle in Leningrad
            Germans attack with 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 14 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 14 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys in Leningrad, round 2 : 9/26 hits, 6.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Leningrad, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Leningrad
            Germans win, taking Leningrad from Russians with 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 13 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Karelia
            Germans attack with 2 bombers and 6 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 6 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
            Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 2 bombers and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
        Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Leningrad: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Leningrad

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger Leningrad Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Leningrad_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans
        1 aaGun moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        2 bombers moved from Karelia to Baltic States
        3 armour moved from Germany to Baltic States
        1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        4 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Poland
        1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Germany
        1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Romania
        4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 submarine moved from 116 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        1 transport placed in 116 Sea Zone
        1 submarine placed in 115 Sea Zone
        1 submarine placed in 113 Sea Zone
        1 submarine placed in 116 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        1 armour and 3 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 50 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Bulgaria: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Albania: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.17
Russians regular : 0.33
Germans regular : 2.50

Dice Statistics:

Total
        1 was rolled 79 times
        2 was rolled 78 times
        3 was rolled 60 times
        4 was rolled 87 times
        5 was rolled 53 times
        6 was rolled 82 times
    Average roll : 3.462
    Median : 4.000
    Variance : 2.070
    Standard Deviation : 1.439
    Total rolls : 439

Germans Combat
        1 was rolled 25 times
        2 was rolled 29 times
        3 was rolled 24 times
        4 was rolled 29 times
        5 was rolled 18 times
        6 was rolled 31 times
    Average roll : 3.506
    Median : 3.500
    Variance : 0.723
    Standard Deviation : 0.850
    Total rolls : 156

British Combat
        1 was rolled 15 times
        2 was rolled 5 times
        3 was rolled 6 times
        4 was rolled 11 times
        5 was rolled 6 times
        6 was rolled 8 times
    Average roll : 3.235
    Median : 3.000
    Variance : 1.470
    Standard Deviation : 1.212
    Total rolls : 51

Italians Combat
        1 was rolled 5 times
        2 was rolled 14 times
        3 was rolled 7 times
        4 was rolled 10 times
        5 was rolled 4 times
        6 was rolled 8 times
    Average roll : 3.375
    Median : 3.000
    Variance : 1.404
    Standard Deviation : 1.185
    Total rolls : 48

French Combat
        1 was rolled 2 times
        2 was rolled 4 times
        3 was rolled 3 times
        4 was rolled 8 times
        5 was rolled 4 times
        6 was rolled 4 times
    Average roll : 3.800
    Median : 4.000
    Variance : 0.868
    Standard Deviation : 0.932
    Total rolls : 25

Americans Combat
        1 was rolled 1 times
        2 was rolled 1 times
        3 was rolled 5 times
        4 was rolled 1 times
        5 was rolled 2 times
        6 was rolled 1 times
    Average roll : 3.455
    Median : 3.000
    Variance : 1.283
    Standard Deviation : 1.133
    Total rolls : 11

ANZAC Combat
        2 was rolled 2 times
        3 was rolled 1 times
        4 was rolled 2 times
    Average roll : 3.000
    Median : 3.000
    Variance : 1.208
    Standard Deviation : 1.099
    Total rolls : 5

Neutral_Allies Combat
        1 was rolled 5 times
        2 was rolled 2 times
        3 was rolled 1 times
        4 was rolled 1 times
        5 was rolled 2 times
        6 was rolled 4 times
    Average roll : 3.333
    Median : 3.000
    Variance : 0.964
    Standard Deviation : 0.982
    Total rolls : 15

Chinese Combat
        1 was rolled 2 times
        2 was rolled 2 times
        3 was rolled 1 times
        4 was rolled 1 times
        5 was rolled 2 times
        6 was rolled 3 times
    Average roll : 3.727
    Median : 4.000
    Variance : 0.283
    Standard Deviation : 0.532
    Total rolls : 11

UK_Pacific Combat
        1 was rolled 2 times
        2 was rolled 2 times
        3 was rolled 2 times
        4 was rolled 2 times
        5 was rolled 2 times
        6 was rolled 4 times
    Average roll : 3.857
    Median : 4.000
    Variance : 0.256
    Standard Deviation : 0.506
    Total rolls : 14

Russians Combat
        1 was rolled 3 times
        2 was rolled 3 times
        3 was rolled 1 times
        4 was rolled 1 times
        5 was rolled 2 times
        6 was rolled 3 times
    Average roll : 3.385
    Median : 3.000
    Variance : 0.403
    Standard Deviation : 0.635
    Total rolls : 13

Japanese Combat
        1 was rolled 19 times
        2 was rolled 14 times
        3 was rolled 9 times
        4 was rolled 21 times
        5 was rolled 11 times
        6 was rolled 16 times
    Average roll : 3.433
    Median : 4.000
    Variance : 1.191
    Standard Deviation : 1.091
    Total rolls : 90

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