Scramble orders please.
22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12)
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@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):
@666 I didnt move the French; it’s plain and obvious, but so be it. I do understand we did a reroll and I’ll still give you the win if you would like.
Good morning, being that we are in a playoff game, there are only so many, “oops, I made a mistake, can I” that I am going to be cool with. Don’t get me wrong, I make plenty of mistakes but when I do, I simply live with it. They happen, I think if we can follow the rules, as best we can, as written, the better.
Depending on where you want to move that F dd, it could have had an impact on Japan’s turn.
Mentioning, allowing you to change the UK combat move before re-rolling a turn, was perhaps for my benefit, reminding myself that I have been quite fair.
If moving the French units now is important to you, then go ahead, as long as you allow me the same, 2 very late ncm. And perhaps we can agree to no more “oops, I made a mistake” requests going forward?
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@666 Its not really a ‘oops, I made a mistake’ kind of a thing. For me its about good sportsmanship. Its about the game and the fun of playing. For me, the score, my league standing, winning or loosing are all secondary to that.
I also like keeping the momentum in a game and not having to worry so much about ‘oh, did I forget something’. That just slows things down. I have to check and recheck everything, before I can send you the game file. I dont like having to uncomfortably ask to make an after the fact changes/correction.
You do seem fair minded 6 and you have a ton of experience and you’ve already taught me a few things about the game, so I hope we can continue without too much concern about loosing a playoff game. You’ve already won -
@max334 good morning Max, I hope you are well.
The last thing I want is for you to have a bad experience here, I am pleased that you are playing on this site and in this league, and PLAYOFFS!
I believe that the best A&A players from around the world play here and our Playoffs are like our World Cup or Superbowl, for most of us it is pretty serious, it is for me at least. I’ve never beaten Ghostglider and I want to beat him this year!
When you say I have won, I can tell you that this isn’t the case in the game, as there is a LONG way to go, trust me.
With respect to our Playoffs and the League. Years ago we created the League as a way to record our statistics and to recognize the best players. Games in the league and certainly in the playoffs are more serious, as we record our league champion afterwards! I believe you will find that most, if not all, players playing for the championship would request a tight adherence to the rules.
There is another section/thread to play games called Play Boardgames, stats aren’t collected here and it is a great place to play a more relaxed game or to test strategies etc… I would love to play against you in that thread too, let me know if you would prefer this.
As an FYI, I could personally show you multiple “Oops” i’ve made in the league, where I have moved on from my blunder and tried to learn from my oversights. It happens, but mistakes in the game and war lead to losses. I would love to continue this game with you, our first I believe, but understand if you don’t want to play such a serious game. Again, I am happy for you to move both French pieces, as long as you will grant me the same request and we agree to eliminate these requests going forward.
I hope all this makes sense to you, and I appreciate the time you have taken to share your thoughts. Are you willing to buckle up and play the hardest A&A game of your life? If you do beat me in this game your next opponent will probably be tougher to beat! If not, let’s play in the play boardgames thread, with whatever house rules you want.
Speak soon,
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@max334, perhaps it would be good to talk about NCM edits for a second.
Typically if this is done immediately after a turn/file being posted and before your opponent starts their turn, you simply update the file, say “sorry’ for the edit and post the change. The “sorry” is just curtesy as you don’t know if your opponent has started planning their turn. PtV is, imo, the most complex of AA games and some turns take a lot of planning. I have rarely if even gotten grief from an opponent when doing this.
If your opponent has moved, or multiple countries moves have taken place then, as you did, a request needs to be made about the NCM edit before proceeding. And it has been my experience that the requester is at the mercy of his/her opponent at this juncture.
Hope this makes sense. Let me know if you have any questions.
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I read your reply, but I was out of town yesterday. Without too much back and forth, let me just say that I am willing to continue our game, if you feel you can deal with my future requests to make, after the fact, changes. You can then just ignore this request, deny it or maybe even allow them. Have you ever played Trulpen? I’ve come to like his style. He just makes game edits if its non-consequential and may or may not even tell you that he made them. At first I was taken aback by this brazen behavior, but I came to learn that he’s a very fair and honorable player.
But, do not be worried, I will not make after the fact edits. I will do as you ask and BUCKLE-UP, not CRY, and learn to live with my mistakes. But again I know my old brain will miss something and I will then ask to make an edit and you, of course can do the same of me. I understand that you dont necessarily like to do that, but if you do I will most likely grant your request and that should not have any bearing on whether you grant mine or not. -
@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):
I read your reply, but I was out of town yesterday. Without too much back and forth, let me just say that I am willing to continue our game, if you feel you can deal with my future requests to make, after the fact, changes. You can then just ignore this request, deny it or maybe even allow them. Have you ever played Trulpen? I’ve come to like his style. He just makes game edits if its non-consequential and may or may not even tell you that he made them. At first I was taken aback by this brazen behavior, but I came to learn that he’s a very fair and honorable player.
But, do not be worried, I will not make after the fact edits. I will do as you ask and BUCKLE-UP, not CRY, and learn to live with my mistakes. But again I know my old brain will miss something and I will then ask to make an edit and you, of course can do the same of me. I understand that you dont necessarily like to do that, but if you do I will most likely grant your request and that should not have any bearing on whether you grant mine or not.Hi Max, yes I’ve played Trulpen, many, many times. Not in quite a while though, and he never made edit’s like this when we played that I am aware. But it’s all good brother, we will make this work! It’s my old brain (57) versus yours. looking forward to your move. Take care, speak soon.
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scramble Sumatra and sz9966f a1.1.tsvg
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@max334 Full scramble in sz99, Max DD and no scramble in Sumatra.
Thanks
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@666 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):
@max334 Full scramble in sz99, Max DD and no scramble in Sumatra.
Thanks
Max D…keep the fighters alive until the end.
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so my name is Thomas, I’m 54 yrs old and I live in Columbus, GA. Where abouts are you?
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@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):
so my name is Thomas, I’m 54 yrs old and I live in Columbus, GA. Where abouts are you?
66f a1.2.tsvg
Oh jeez, sorry about that Thomas….what’s the story with Max334”
I’m in Somers CT.
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; Politics - Italians Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Italians 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 83 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from British Somaliland to Ethiopia Italians take Ethiopia from British Combat - Italians Battle in 83 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 bomber British defend with 1 transport; French defend with 1 destroyer Italians roll dice for 1 bomber in 83 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 83 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the French and 1 bomber owned by the Italians lost in 83 Sea Zone British win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber Casualties for French: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Italians 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco Italians take Morocco from Neutral_Axis 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia Italians take Tunisia from Neutral_Axis 1 artillery moved from Libya to Tobruk 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk 1 armour moved from Greece to Romania 1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy Place Units - Italians 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 19 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@max334 no thanks Thomas
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your welcome Jim… and thank you for rolling high
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@max334 said in 22 PtV playoff Max v 666 (axis +12):
your welcome Jim… and thank you for rolling high
66 f2.tsvg666………it’s what I do
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There is a scramble option for you here, typically if a battle with a scramble option is 90-100% victory, which this is, I usually proceed with the battle and decide not to scramble my opponents aircraft, as I have a 90-100% chance of winning and destroying those units. If in fact my opponent wanted to scramble, and tells me immediately after the turn, we would re-roll that single 66-G3 scramble.tsvg battle. I don’t believe we have agreed to this yet, as this is our first game.
Let me know if you want to scramble here, and if you want to move forward with the above agreement going forward.
Thanks Thomas
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@666 I agree with you ‘mostly’ and will do the same for you except in unique situations like this. Yes, I will scramble both fighters and I hope you understand the reasoning. Even though I will loose the battle my hope is to take significant Luftwaffe with me. But why did that French and British pilot sacrifice themselfs… it is a question of honor VIVA LA FRANCE
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@max334 I get it, I tend to ask more often than not, some players get annoyed with me, it does slow down the game. I’ll get to this tonight.
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Game History
Round: 3 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 5 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia 2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus Germans take Northern Belarus from Russians 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 14 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 93 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Americans scrambles 2 units out of Gibraltar to defend against the attack in 93 Sea Zone Battle in 93 Sea Zone Germans attack with 6 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter; French defend with 1 fighter; Americans defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports 1 submarine owned by the Americans submerged Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/10 hits, 5.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 2 transports in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits 1 cruiser owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 2 fighters owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the French lost in 93 Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 93 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 transports in 93 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 transports owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 93 Sea Zone Germans win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29 Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Casualties for French: 1 fighter Battle in Leningrad Germans attack with 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 14 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 14 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys in Leningrad, round 2 : 9/26 hits, 6.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Leningrad, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Leningrad Germans win, taking Leningrad from Russians with 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 13 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Karelia Germans attack with 2 bombers and 6 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 6 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 2 bombers and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Leningrad: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Leningrad Non Combat Move - Germans Trigger Leningrad Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Leningrad_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans 1 aaGun moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 2 bombers moved from Karelia to Baltic States 3 armour moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 4 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Poland 1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Germany 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 1 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Romania 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 submarine moved from 116 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone Place Units - Germans 1 transport placed in 116 Sea Zone 1 submarine placed in 115 Sea Zone 1 submarine placed in 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine placed in 116 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Western Germany 1 armour and 3 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 50 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Bulgaria: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Albania: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.17 Russians regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 2.50Dice Statistics:
Total 1 was rolled 79 times 2 was rolled 78 times 3 was rolled 60 times 4 was rolled 87 times 5 was rolled 53 times 6 was rolled 82 times Average roll : 3.462 Median : 4.000 Variance : 2.070 Standard Deviation : 1.439 Total rolls : 439 Germans Combat 1 was rolled 25 times 2 was rolled 29 times 3 was rolled 24 times 4 was rolled 29 times 5 was rolled 18 times 6 was rolled 31 times Average roll : 3.506 Median : 3.500 Variance : 0.723 Standard Deviation : 0.850 Total rolls : 156 British Combat 1 was rolled 15 times 2 was rolled 5 times 3 was rolled 6 times 4 was rolled 11 times 5 was rolled 6 times 6 was rolled 8 times Average roll : 3.235 Median : 3.000 Variance : 1.470 Standard Deviation : 1.212 Total rolls : 51 Italians Combat 1 was rolled 5 times 2 was rolled 14 times 3 was rolled 7 times 4 was rolled 10 times 5 was rolled 4 times 6 was rolled 8 times Average roll : 3.375 Median : 3.000 Variance : 1.404 Standard Deviation : 1.185 Total rolls : 48 French Combat 1 was rolled 2 times 2 was rolled 4 times 3 was rolled 3 times 4 was rolled 8 times 5 was rolled 4 times 6 was rolled 4 times Average roll : 3.800 Median : 4.000 Variance : 0.868 Standard Deviation : 0.932 Total rolls : 25 Americans Combat 1 was rolled 1 times 2 was rolled 1 times 3 was rolled 5 times 4 was rolled 1 times 5 was rolled 2 times 6 was rolled 1 times Average roll : 3.455 Median : 3.000 Variance : 1.283 Standard Deviation : 1.133 Total rolls : 11 ANZAC Combat 2 was rolled 2 times 3 was rolled 1 times 4 was rolled 2 times Average roll : 3.000 Median : 3.000 Variance : 1.208 Standard Deviation : 1.099 Total rolls : 5 Neutral_Allies Combat 1 was rolled 5 times 2 was rolled 2 times 3 was rolled 1 times 4 was rolled 1 times 5 was rolled 2 times 6 was rolled 4 times Average roll : 3.333 Median : 3.000 Variance : 0.964 Standard Deviation : 0.982 Total rolls : 15 Chinese Combat 1 was rolled 2 times 2 was rolled 2 times 3 was rolled 1 times 4 was rolled 1 times 5 was rolled 2 times 6 was rolled 3 times Average roll : 3.727 Median : 4.000 Variance : 0.283 Standard Deviation : 0.532 Total rolls : 11 UK_Pacific Combat 1 was rolled 2 times 2 was rolled 2 times 3 was rolled 2 times 4 was rolled 2 times 5 was rolled 2 times 6 was rolled 4 times Average roll : 3.857 Median : 4.000 Variance : 0.256 Standard Deviation : 0.506 Total rolls : 14 Russians Combat 1 was rolled 3 times 2 was rolled 3 times 3 was rolled 1 times 4 was rolled 1 times 5 was rolled 2 times 6 was rolled 3 times Average roll : 3.385 Median : 3.000 Variance : 0.403 Standard Deviation : 0.635 Total rolls : 13 Japanese Combat 1 was rolled 19 times 2 was rolled 14 times 3 was rolled 9 times 4 was rolled 21 times 5 was rolled 11 times 6 was rolled 16 times Average roll : 3.433 Median : 4.000 Variance : 1.191 Standard Deviation : 1.091 Total rolls : 90
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