I want to pinch…

It´s banned and illegal in Germany to show a swastika or display it anywhere exceptions are museums, so it cann´t be worshiped…but there still some fruitcakes out there trying…
as for america i don´t know…I saw ´em to much on peoples body and other emblems or insignias…German skinheads still get there stuff from the HQ of Texas…If u were caught with a hitler t-shirt in Germany you will be arrested…

That would really stink if another terrorist got in office. Israel already had to deal with Arafat.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_26.html#082732

Would you give $ to state and local governments which didn’t fulfill their responsibilities?

Katrina Death Toll guesstimates seem to have been a lil off…

Recall Mayor Nagin’s # of 10,000 in Nawlins alone…

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16729248-23109,00.html

EXCERPT
THE death toll from Hurricane Katrina has risen to 1069 after Louisiana officials raised the number of confirmed fatalities in that state to 832.

…218 dead in Mississippi and 19 deaths confirmed in Florida, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee…
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I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to continue a debate without the other person being able to respond. I guess if any of you would like my thoughts on Jenn’s post, then let me know. Otherwise, it’s been a good discussion.

@Zero:

10% want citizenship, 54% want land, that’s 64% total. That’s almost a super majority! Only 19% said that they would chose to leave. Please explain your position because I think the numbers say otherwise.

Plus, I wish to point out as an aside that the OFFICIAL reason that Isreal drove these people from their land 50+years ago and refuses to let them return is that they are not Jewish, and therefore they would dilute Jewish political power in Isreal (a so called democracy). I find it upsetting that the US strongly backs a country that so openly defies the most basic principles of democracy, and that we act disgusted when the Palestinians call for the destruction of a state that denies them citizenship based soley on their religion.

Israel did not drive these people out of their homes. I’m from Haifa, a city where the Jews and Arabs live in peace. The Arabs in Haifa are Arabs that havel ived there sicne before the war in 1948 and chose not to leave. They were immediately given full ctizienship and equal rights. You’re right though, Israel is a very discrimating country. I mean, how is it fair that the Israeli-Arabs do not have to attend the compulsory military service while every Jewish-Israeli does.

It’s such a great crime against democracy not to give citizenship to people who mostly left willingly in 1948. A census in Beirut after the refugees had come there found that over 60% had left without even seeing an Israeli soldier. I think the Syrian prime minister, Khaled al-Azam, Syrian Prime Minister in 1949, put it rather well in his memoirs, “We brought destruction upon the [Palestinian] refugees, by calling on them to
leave their homes.”

It is true even representatives work 70 hour weeks

Well, everyone else has to think about it, but ,
for you, :evil: b_k :evil: , there is no doubt. :P :wink: - Xi
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. . . and apologize in absentia. - Xi

“The consistent anarchist…should be a socialist, but a
socialist of a particular sort. He will not only oppose
alienated and specialized labor and look forward to the
appropriation of capital by the whole body of workers,
but he will also insist that this appropriation be
direct, not exercised by some elite force acting in the
name of the proletariat…Some sort of council communism
is the natural form of revolutionary socialism in an
industrial society. It reflects the intuitive under-
standing that democracy is largely a sham when the
industrial system is controlled by any form of autocratic
elite, whether of owners, managers, and technocrats, a
“vanguard” party, or a State bureaucracy.”

Noam Chomsky, political analyst. “Notes on Anarchism,”
New York Review of Books (May 21, 1970).

Yes, the sub was a mini.