@The-Captain said in G40 Tank Buster & Ground Attack air unit:
due to the massive amount of G40 HRE games we currently play
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Advice to Renegade! What is on your top 10 for adjustments to G40 3rd edition?
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@imperious-leader if BC move 3 spaces and att/def on 4 with lower cost then BB, then no1 will buy cruisers. My suggestion there is to give 1 additional space to cruiser att/def/move 3/3/3 cost 12, BC 4/4/2 destroy on 1 hit because of weaker armor then BB but more anti-aircraft power then cruiser and cost 15-16, and BB 4/4/2 with same anti-aircraft power as BC but can accumulate 1 enemy hit cost 20.
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Took me a while to realize this thread was in HR now. I guess that’s cool, anything goes here I suppose haha. Still my first big suggestion is to be consistent with what constitutes a Re-Issue/Re-Print vs a new "Edition’ (or if there is even a worthwhile distinction there) vs an entirely new game which properly should get a new Title.
For me this boils down to whether or not the update/revision can be handled by just updating the manual (e.g. the rules, or the set up cards) vs requiring major changes to other contents inside the box.
If the map does change (beyond cosmetics) like adding new territories and new sea zones, or adjusted connections/boundaries, that’s a new game and it should have a new name. If entirely new unit sculpts are added, that game should get a new title to reflect this, since it’s a very big change. Basically anything that breaks backwards compatibility with an already existing board, or which makes a previous release of that board obsolete.
You know what I mean, like if all I have to do is download a pdf of the new manual with new tech rules that’s one thing, but if I’m required to have a new map and new sculpts that’s a rather different thing. If the only changes are to the rules for existing stuff, or new unit set up cards for existing stuff, or if the changes to the map are only cosmetic, (like a new look and feel, but otherwise all the same TTs/connections) then that release should be a new “Edition” of the previous game’s same name.
Sadly these conventions have not been very consistent in the past, and so I think there is a fair bit of confusion regarding the whole ‘which edition?’ thing. This is part of the reason why I think they should drop the concept of editions for anything which should properly be considered sequels and instead give those new titles. I would look to the conventions adopted in Book publishing for guidance here. If the manual is being re-iussed, and only that, then a 2nd or 3rd edition printing under the same Name makes sense to me. If it goes much beyond that, then it should get a new Title/subtitle, or else some qualifier there like “Revised” or “Advanced” or “Anniversary” or some season/year whatever, to make that really obvious. I think anyway, but I’m pretty sure that ship has sailed already hehe.
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@angel Well everything depends on the price! Cruisers cost could move to 11ipc and a Battlecruiser could be 15? Perhaps you keep them a M2 unit, then a 1 hit wonder with 4-4-2-14 and a SB4 would have some utility for some nations.
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Cruiser C11 AD@3 SH@3
B. Cruiser C13 AD@4 SH@4
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@crockett36 Make France more powerful :)
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@FranceNeedsMorePower It is shocking that Germany does the naval battles in the same round as attacking France. France should demand every unit available to make happen. I completely agree.
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@crockett36 I agree with your idea! That makes sense! I would also like to see better rules for when France falls. The game is already in depth why not add Vichy French? Larry Harris didn’t because he didn’t want to over complicate the game but the game is already complicating. As far as Germany being able to do so much G1 is inaccurate. They were able to crush France but not the whole British navy.
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I’m still working on making France goes first work. Been on vaca or busy. A simple change to the set up and you could have your own mod in tripleA. I’d add a French fighter and 6 more infantry to Paris. And one more AA gun. I’m not sure of the historical situation (The French submarine fleet I mean) but you could add a French sub to 93 as well.
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@crockett36 I’ll play you if you want to edit that set up. Be warned the next three weeks will be very slow. Grandkids coming into town.
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@crockett36 As much as I like the idea of France being more powerful I still want it to reflect reality. The setup for France is very accurate. And, it’s not like they don’t have a lot of units. They are just right next to the massive German attack. They have more material than China and Anzac, and make more money than them. I would enjoy playing a Global game! Have not played with a lot of people recently. I’m not sure if you just meant to test the French extra unit setup. But I would play Global OOB with no tech. Again, I’m not sure if that’s what you meant though.
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@FranceNeedsMorePower Yes, I’d like to play you with the edited Paris. For fun. To get the feel. The impact. Why no tech?
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@crockett36 I know what tech is but suck at it. We could use just don’t expect me to use many of my IPC’s on it or any.
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@crockett36 Who would be what side?
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Hi Crockett,
What is the back ground for the “Advice to Renegade - G40 3E” ?
Do you have any correspondence with Renegade Company concerning if they are planning a G40 3E ?
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@The-Captain No, I was trying to grab their attention with this post. I’m sure someone lurks here once in a while. I haven’t seen Larry in 9 months. My schedule changed so Saturdays are not available for 6 months.
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@FranceNeedsMorePower I’m flexible. I always prefer the good guys but need to get better at pillaging and plundering.
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@FranceNeedsMorePower I get it. Tech is extremely poorly implemented. Of course, historically, every tech listed WAS ACTUALLY part of the war by 1945 or turn 12. So it feels unrealistic to not have it as an option. With anniversary tokens preferably.
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@crockett36 I’m not picky either, I will let you choose.
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@crockett36 zero pressure to win or do well. playtesting is about kicking the tires. having fun.
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@crockett36 Well, I want this to be your baby so I will choose the Axis. I’ll try to set it up by tomorrow morning.
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