Greece and Crete

@Adiloi Yes, theoretically this could continue. But the Axis would gain so much income from this exchange that the Allies would not recover, and eventually attrition will stop UK from being able to retake since they won’t be able to buy new units and Germany will.

@The-Janus indeed hurting the luftwaffe is a plus but not if it costs you way too much. Keeping your fighters with UK and alive in the Med then they can go to moscow fast.

@surfer thanks for that clarification

@The-Janus

That’s the thing-I don’t think national objectives imbalance the game, especially in the Europe version where the Soviets are almost guaranteed to get 9 IPCs a turn after going to war.

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As you can see, the Germans still took Moscow on turn 6 and on their way to Egypt (Italy’s looking in pretty good shape too).

@The-General-0 A quick US liberation of London assumes the German navy and its transports have been eliminated.Italy can throw a wrench into the allies plans as well.

@ampdrive
To be competitive Italy need to reach +20 and I2, and 30 IPC at I3
Otherwise anybody can enter the med, with no effort

I would consider an IC in Romania with a airfield. this would allow you to crank out troops toward Caucuses and not worry about building more than transports in the black sea. with the airfield you can scrambler fighters stationed there in defense and they can be used to attack with ground against Russia.

@SAS:

I wasn’t referring specifically to you, Dany, I just don’t understand why everyone thinks this is such a big mistake.  Someone earlier referred to Crete being part of Greece just like Hawaii is part of the US.  However, if Japan invades Hawaii, they don’t receive control of the Eastern US; and even if they invade the Eastern US and take the capital but don’t invade Hawaii, they don’t automatically get control of Hawaii.

That was my quote - but again - I wasnt referring to issues regarding “control” or occupation, merely when and where related forces are activated.  For sake of clarification, I was looking at the issue from the perspective of an Axis attack on Crete - not from the perspective of an Allied player sending forces to Crete in order to bring Greece into the war.

The analogy was simply intended to illustrate that when Japan attacks Hawaii on J1,2, or 3 - Japan and the US (i.e. ALL territories of the US) are at war.  In my mind it seems to follow that if the Axis attack a portion of Greece (be it Greece proper or Crete) then all territories part of the Greek state are at war - and so any troops so designated on the board are activated.  I certainly wasn’t getting “bent out of shape” - I was simply offering what I thought was a plausible explanation of what happens - understanding official clarifications will eventually come from those positioned to do so.

But I also understand (based on the earlier poster’s Mongolia clarification offered by Krieg) the idea that Crete and Greece are treated as separate and distinct tt - and not part of the same greek  nation-state so to speak.