You should read this. Nobody buys Battleships or Cruisers in OOB, except in extremely extremely extremely rare situations.
L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43)
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The rerolled battle.
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Adjusted. 2 UK-figs on the US-ac.
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@jkeller holy shit 34 ipc below expectation lol that was horrible
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Wasn’t good for Mussolini. With the bad result on the first go I can understand you wanted another shot. Could’ve worked, but this was of course worse. I’ll try to not assume so much regarding scrambles, but rather await your decisions.
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The difference in TUV between the two results was just 8 though.
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Oh, wait, perhaps not.
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wasnt based on dice at all but average expected outcome. of course average does not mean it will be better than even a bad initial roll lol. oh well i would still make same decision again especially with even a small possibility of killing uk fighters and german counter on british fleet
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Yes, seems correct.
First was +26.
Second +34.
Expected TUV was +10.
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@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):
wasnt based on dice at all but average expected outcome. of course average does not mean it will be better than even a bad initial roll lol. oh well i would still make same decision again especially with even a small possibility of killing uk fighters and german counter on british fleet
Yep, that actually makes a lot of sense.
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initial roll was -28 vs -20 expected. adjusted battle was -44 vs a -10 expected. but i would do it again
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ya first one -26. second one -44
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Game History
Round: 9 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans repair damage of 3x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 77 PUs; Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 13 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan 4 infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Vologda 1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Vologda 1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara 1 infantry moved from Tambov to Samara 11 armour and 22 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Samara 4 fighters moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Vologda 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda Combat - Germans Battle in 97 Sea Zone Germans attack with 6 fighters British defend with 1 destroyer; Americans defend with 1 submarine 1 submarine owned by the Americans submerged Germans roll dice for 6 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone Germans win with 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Northwest Persia Germans attack with 11 armour and 22 mech_infantrys British defend with 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans roll dice for 11 armour and 22 mech_infantrys in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 9/33 hits, 9.17 expected hits British roll dice for 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/11 hits, 4.17 expected hits 3 artilleries owned by the British, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 6 infantry owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia Germans roll dice for 11 armour and 20 mech_infantrys in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 10/31 hits, 8.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from British with 11 armour and 18 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 35 Casualties for Germans: 4 mech_infantrys Casualties for British: 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Battle in Kazakhstan Germans attack with 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Samara Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara Germans win, taking Samara from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Vologda Germans attack with 1 bomber and 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Vologda, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Vologda Germans win, taking Vologda from Russians with 1 bomber and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel 2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel 1 bomber moved from Samara to Volgograd 3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 3 artilleries moved from Belarus to Bryansk 2 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod 8 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 bomber moved from Vologda to Archangel 1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Volgograd 2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 3 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 aaGuns moved from France to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 3 infantry placed in Volgograd Germans undo move 1. 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine 3 infantry placed in Novgorod 2 infantry placed in Germany 3 infantry placed in France 1 fighter and 6 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany Germans undo move 5. 1 infantry placed in Western Germany 2 infantry placed in France Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1 Germans collect 62 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 62 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.33 Russians regular : -1.67 Germans regular : 4.83 British regular : -1.33 -
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Russia roars.
R9 L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg
Game History
Round: 9
Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 5 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Timguska Russians take Timguska from Germans 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 1 fighter moved from Russia to Smolensk 5 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 4 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 6 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda 1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara Combat - Russians Battle in Smolensk Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk Russians win, taking Smolensk from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Samara Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 15 infantry Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 15 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 2/17 hits, 3,50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara Russians win, taking Samara from Germans with 2 artilleries and 15 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Vologda Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 10 infantry Germans defend with 3 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 10 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 4/12 hits, 2,67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda Russians win, taking Vologda from Germans with 2 artilleries and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Russia 1 aaGun moved from Russia to Samara 1 aaGun moved from Russia to Vologda 1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 aaGuns and 9 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia 1 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda 1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt Place Units - Russians 5 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 9 PUs; end with 25 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -1,00
Russians regular : 0,00
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i still dont have a good grasp of these sea rules in this version. Can transport load in combat move with a sub in the sea zone? can it offload in a seazone with a lone sub?
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@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):
i still dont have a good grasp of these sea rules in this version. Can transport load in combat move with a sub in the sea zone? can it offload in a seazone with a lone sub?
Yes, I think it can ignore a sub when loading. When offloading another warship has to accompany it though in order to be able to ignore it. Anything works for that task, even a sub.
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@trulpen ok thats what I surmised from the rulebook.
Another lone infantry wins battle LOL this is crazy.
Game History
Round: 9 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese repair damage of 1x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 55 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Japanese buy 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to 35 Sea Zone 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Philippines 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from French Indo China to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 20 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Japan to 20 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 20 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Japanese creates battle in territory 37 Sea Zone Battle in Java Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Americans defend with 1 artillery Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Java, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Java Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery Battle in Philippines Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in Philippines, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 5.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines Japanese win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 21 Sea Zone: 4 fighters EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 21 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 4 fighters EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Philippines: 1 bomber EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Philippines: 1 bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 21 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 2 fighters EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 21 Sea Zone: 3 carriers and 2 fighters EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 21 Sea Zone: 3 carriers EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in 21 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 3 fighters ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 21 Sea Zone Japanese win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer Battle in 20 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.67 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 20 Sea Zone Japanese win with 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer Battle in 41 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport ANZAC defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 41 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine Battle in Sumatra Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry ANZAC defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sumatra Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Sumatra, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Sumatra, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Sumatra ANZAC win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 5 fighters moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Philippines to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Philippines to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma 2 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma 1 artillery moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone 2 artilleries moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 3 artilleries, 2 battleships, 5 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 3 infantry, 10 submarines and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 3 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 3 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State 2 fighters moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi Place Units - Japanese 3 destroyers placed in 36 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Kwangtung 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Japan 2 infantry placed in Korea Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Manchuria: 1 artillery and 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Korea: 1 artillery and 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangsi: 1 fighter EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 15 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 44 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 36 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5 Japanese collect 44 PUs (15 lost to blockades); end with 44 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : -1.83 ANZAC regular : 1.17
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