Sub attacking Battleship

@MrMalachiCrunch:

First of all you need a mix in fleet and in land units.  Second, even at 20 a BB would be a sitting duck for 18 IPC of subs.  3 subs CRUSH a battleship with an average loss of a single sub costing 6 IPC.  If all you had were BBs I would flood the ocean with subs and pick and choose when i want to fight.  So you would need some DDs but still subs would kill you, so you need air units combined with DDs to project power.  In order to get in striking distance of subs, because you have to move up you have to put yourself in harms way, let the enemy decide to attack you or not.  You might need blocking DDs to get your fleet close enough to project power onto the subs and force a retreat as they can’t stand a few DDs with airpower.  In other words, you need combined arms to win.  That is one reason I hate to use a single bomber against an AA.  Going from 1 to zero is a 100% loss of the service of a bomber and the power it projects over a wide swath of area.  Think about it, a single bomber might cause you to defend against it in 6 different places.  Even by doing nothing, the power it projects influences the battlespace.

The subs cost 8 IPC in revised
7 if you posses  ˝War Economy˝ NA

If you’re going to use the US as your trading country, then make sure you have a good transport system in place. Get a 4x4 going on. Four transports from Ecan to UK, and UK to EEU (preferably) or Kar. And buy a fighter EVERY round so you can fly it to Russia. Do the same with the UK. Buy a fighter every round and fly it to Russia. Get a good fighter cover going, have Russia buy infantry out the wazoo (and an armour every now and then) and continually wear Germany down.

@axis_roll:

@Krieghund:

In LHTR, the attacker’s choice to retreat is made before the defender’s choice is made to submerge.  In the box rules, the choices are made simultaneously.

how does THAT work?

Not very well.

@axis_roll:

Do you each write down your attack/withdraw perogative on paper and show it at the same time… I mean, how ELSE could you do it simultaneously?

That’s about the only way I can think of.  As TimTheEnchanter pointed out, this is an ambiguity in the rules.  There is no FAQ entry, and as far as I know no “official” ruling on this, and that’s why I answered the way I did.  My personal inclination would be to follow the “natural” order of things and let the attacker decide first, as in LHTR.  If anyone cares enough, I can ask Larry Harris, though I suspect his answer would agree with LHTR (for obvious reasons).  Just one more reason to use LHTR rather than the OOB rules.

Just to be thorough and make the point:

Fricking subs…

Super! Thank you very much for your answers!

…and yes, of course I meant UKR, and not BLK…sorry, my mistake.

Oh, okay, that makes a bit more sense.  I guess I haven’t looked at the new rules in a while, so that’s why I thought the way I did.

@Silstar:

The sneak attack rules we have always played with are this:

The sub can declare it’s target

A hit of 2 is an automatic sink except against a battleship, where it damagers it to the point that it does not participate in the first round.

A hit of 1 sinks everything, including a battleship. A hit of 1 will also hit a carrier before the fighters launch and the fighters go down with the ship. We made that ‘1’ real important. We usually don’t risk it, but you’d be surprised the number of times it’s worked and changed the whole war.

Two things…

One… too powerful for subs.

Two… House Rules section for further discussion.

GG are you there, so please answer my question. :-?