L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs max334 (A) P2V

thank you for the game

@BobbaRossa

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Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 cruiser moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 destroyer moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra ANZAC take Sumatra from Dutch 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt Place Units - ANZAC 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs Combat Move - French 3 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa 1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Morocco Non Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 15

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 15 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans 3 fighters moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 3 infantry moved from Buryatia to Northern Manchuria 1 artillery moved from Siberia to Amur 4 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Amur 1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Northern Manchuria Combat - Russians Battle in Bessarabia Russians attack with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bessarabia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bessarabia Russians win with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Amur Russians attack with 5 artilleries and 6 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 5 artilleries and 6 infantry in Amur, round 2 : 2/11 hits, 3.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Amur, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Amur 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Amur Russians win, taking Amur from Japanese with 5 artilleries and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Northern Manchuria Russians attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 4 : 2/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northern Manchuria 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Northern Manchuria Russians win, taking Northern Manchuria from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 aaGun moved from Sakha to Amur 1 fighter moved from Northern Manchuria to Buryatia 2 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur 1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur 3 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Russia 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bessarabia to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Nenetsia to Gorky 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk 8 infantry moved from Siberia to Amur Place Units - Russians 3 infantry placed in Siberia 10 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5,6,3 Russians collect 35 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 35 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.67 Italians regular : 0.67 Russians regular : -2.83

Savegame

@dawgoneit I think you posted the wrong move. This is turn 2 for Germany, should be turn 10.

@mikawagunichi

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Game History

Round: 11 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Nenetsia to Archangel Russians take Archangel from Germans 2 infantry moved from Gorky to Vologda 1 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Southern Belarus Russians take Southern Belarus from Germans 2 infantry moved from Samara to Stalingrad 1 infantry moved from Samara to Stalingrad 3 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Northern Caucasus 1 armour moved from Turkmenistan to Northeast Persia Russians take Northeast Persia from Germans 1 armour moved from Northeast Persia to Turkmenistan 1 infantry moved from Uzbekistan to Turkmenistan 1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to French Indo China Russians take French Indo China from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Honan 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Honan 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kansu to Inner Mongolia 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Inner Mongolia 1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Honan 1 infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Kansu 2 infantry moved from Urals to Northern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Sakha to Amur Russians take Amur from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia 1 infantry moved from Sakha to Siberia 1 fighter moved from Sakha to Siberia 7 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia 1 fighter moved from Evenkiyskiy to Buryatia 1 mech_infantry moved from Komi to Yenisey 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Northern Caucasus 2 fighters moved from Russia to Novgorod 2 fighters moved from Russia to Vologda 1 fighter moved from Russia to Stalingrad 1 fighter moved from Tula to Stalingrad Combat - Russians Battle in Stalingrad Russians attack with 2 fighters and 3 infantry Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Stalingrad, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Stalingrad, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Stalingrad 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Stalingrad Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Stalingrad, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Stalingrad, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Stalingrad 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Stalingrad Russians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Vologda Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda Russians win, taking Vologda from Germans with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Honan Russians attack with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Honan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Honan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Honan Russians win, taking Honan from Japanese with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Northern Caucasus Russians attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Caucasus, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Northern Caucasus, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northern Caucasus 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northern Caucasus Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Caucasus, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Northern Caucasus, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northern Caucasus 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Northern Caucasus Russians win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 infantry Battle in Siberia Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Siberia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Siberia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Siberia Russians win, taking Siberia from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Buryatia Russians attack with 1 fighter and 7 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 7 infantry in Buryatia, round 2 : 0/8 hits, 1.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Buryatia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Buryatia Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 6 infantry in Buryatia, round 3 : 0/7 hits, 1.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Buryatia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 6 infantry in Buryatia, round 4 : 2/7 hits, 1.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Buryatia, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Buryatia 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Buryatia Russians win, taking Buryatia from Japanese with 1 fighter and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Novgorod Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod Russians win, taking Novgorod from Germans with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 2 fighters moved from Novgorod to Russia 2 fighters moved from Vologda to Russia 1 infantry moved from Tula to Saratov 1 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Samara 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Tula to Samara 1 infantry moved from Kursk to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Russia 3 infantry moved from Tula to Russia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Caucasus to Samara 2 fighters moved from Stalingrad to Samara 3 artilleries moved from Kazakhstan to Samara 7 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Samara 4 fighters and 7 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 2 armour moved from Gorky to Samara 11 infantry moved from Gorky to Yaroslavl 6 artilleries moved from Gorky to Yaroslavl 3 aaGuns moved from Gorky to Samara 1 fighter moved from Buryatia to Sakha 1 fighter moved from Siberia to Sakha Place Units - Russians 2 infantry placed in Urals 8 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,6,6 Russians collect 30 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 30 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 2.33 Russians regular : -2.33

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 6 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 4 infantry, 4 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Leningrad to Archangel Germans take Archangel from Russians 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Archangel to Karelia 2 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda Germans take Vologda from Russians 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus Germans take Northern Belarus from Russians 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland 4 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland Combat - Germans Battle in Karelia Germans attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 6 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Eastern Poland Germans attack with 2 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 21 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 1 aaGun moved from Poland to Baltic States 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 transport moved from 100 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Greece to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Syria 2 infantry moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Alexandria 1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 94 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 bombers moved from Gibraltar to Western Germany 4 fighters moved from Gibraltar to France 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to France 1 submarine moved from 128 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 87 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone Place Units - Germans 1 factory_minor placed in Ukraine 1 transport placed in 113 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Leningrad 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 4 tactical_bombers placed in Western Germany Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Holland Belgium: 1 aaGun EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 aaGun EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 62 PUs; end with 62 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 65 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 73 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 1.67 Germans regular : 0.83

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 20

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 20 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Vologda to Archangel 1 fighter moved from Russia to Archangel 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Volgograd 2 infantry moved from Tambov to Volgograd 1 infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan Russians take Kazakhstan from Italians 1 infantry moved from Samara to Novosibirsk Russians take Novosibirsk from Italians Combat - Russians Battle in Bryansk Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bryansk Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bryansk Russians win, taking Bryansk from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Volgograd Russians attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Volgograd, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Volgograd Russians win, taking Volgograd from Germans with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Archangel Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Archangel 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Archangel Russians win, taking Archangel from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia 1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Russia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Russia 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Vologda to Smolensk 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 33 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Smolensk 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 23 infantry moved from Samara to Russia 1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 21 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 Optional[PUs]; end with 26 Optional[PUs] Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 29 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : 0.17

Savegame

@surfer I’ll just add that I’m happy to keep playing but I’m cautious enough that I’m not going to rely on 70% odds, so we would have to play it out longer to see that kind of battle