L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V

It does not matter so much though, except that the units would then be stuck on the tr.

From the notes to BM4:

“* (PE) You may not conduct an amphibious assault from an allied transport if the defender could scramble and you have no other combat units to protect that transport.”

The note is a bit wrong though. You should be able to do an amphi, but if there’s a scramble it will simply be stopped.

We can just decide that you can go on with the attack. IT simplifies things and moves the game along, so I allow it.

L22 #1 trulpen (+6) vs AoW P2V.tsvg

Game History

Round: 16

   Purchase Units - Italians

       Italians buy nothing; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 



   Combat Move - Italians

       1 infantry moved from Gorky to Komi

             Italians take Komi from Russians



   Combat - Italians



   Non Combat Move - Italians

       Turning on Edit Mode

       EDIT: Changing ownership of Tambov from British to Italians

       EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

       2 armour moved from Tula to Stalingrad

       1 infantry moved from Tula to Tambov



   Turn Complete - Italians

       Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8

           Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5,2,2,2,6

           Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1

       Italians collect 9 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

L22 #1 trulpen (+6) vs AoW P2V.tsvg

Game History

Round: 17

   Research Technology - Germans



   Purchase Units - Germans

       Germans repair damage of 1x factory_major; Remaining resources: 105 PUs; 

       Germans buy 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 26 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 



   Combat Move - Germans

       1 infantry moved from Samara to Urals

             Germans take Urals from Russians

       1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan

       2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus

       2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus

       1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan

       1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus

       30 artilleries and 47 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk

             Germans take Smolensk from Russians

       1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod

             Germans take Novgorod from Russians

       1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece

       1 infantry moved from Albania to Greece

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Greece

       1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Ukraine

       1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Kazakhstan

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Greece



   Combat - Germans

       Battle in Greece

           Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers

           Americans defend with 1 airfield and 1 infantry

               Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Greece, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2,67 expected hits

               Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Greece

           Germans win, taking Greece from Americans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3

           Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

       Battle in Ukraine

           Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

           British defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry

               Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Ukraine, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits

               British roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ukraine

           Germans win, taking Ukraine from British with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0

           Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

           Casualties for British: 1 infantry

       Battle in Kazakhstan

           Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers

           British defend with 1 infantry

               Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2,33 expected hits

               Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kazakhstan

           Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3

           Casualties for British: 1 infantry

       Battle in Northern Caucasus

           Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers

           Russians defend with 2 infantry

               Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Northern Caucasus, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3,17 expected hits

               Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Northern Caucasus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northern Caucasus

           Germans win, taking Northern Caucasus from Russians with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3

           Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

           Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

       Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Urals: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Urals



   Non Combat Move - Germans

       Trigger Urals Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Urals_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans

       1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad

       1 bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad

       2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Northern Caucasus to Stalingrad

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Stalingrad

       3 fighters moved from Eire to Western Germany

       1 battleship, 3 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 5 transports moved from 114 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone

       1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland

       1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States

       1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland

       1 aaGun moved from Bessarabia to Romania

       1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Yugoslavia

       1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania

       1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria

       2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to 116 Sea Zone

       2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Greece to Yugoslavia

       1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary

       1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany

       2 aaGuns moved from Russia to Smolensk

       1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda

       2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary



   Place Units - Germans

       1 airfield and 3 infantry placed in Stalingrad

       3 infantry placed in Russia

       1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Germany

       2 infantry placed in Yugoslavia

       1 destroyer placed in 99 Sea Zone

       9 infantry placed in Western Germany



   Turn Complete - Germans

       Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4

           Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2,5,1,6,2

       Germans collect 64 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 64 PUs

       Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 67 PUs

       Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

       Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 87 PUs

       Turning on Edit Mode

       EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 1 infantry

       EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Leningrad: 1 infantry

       EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0,33

Russians regular : 0,00

Germans regular : 1,83

British regular : 0,67

@artofwar1947 said in L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V:

Gamerman wrote back: Hi Art! I can’t find any rules about this in the BM4 notes in Triple A. I actually can’t remember about this rule. Can Trulpen say where this scramble vs. unescorted amphibious assault rule is?

@gamerman01

Regarding amphi:

“The sea zone may be either friendly or hostile, but if it is hostile it must be made friendly through sea combat before the amphibious assault can commence. […] Further, if enemy air units could potentially be scrambled to defend the sea zone, additional units may be moved into the sea zone to combat them in case they are indeed scrambled.” (2nd ed, p 14)

Regarding scramble:

“These air units can be scrambled to help friendly units in adjacent sea zones that have come under attack. They can also be scrambled to resist amphibious assaults from adjacent sea zones, whether or not the territory being assaulted is the territory containing the air base. They may defend against the enemy ships conducting the amphibious assault even if friendly ships are not present.” (2nd ed, p 16)

L22 #1 trulpen (+6) vs artw P2V.tsvg

Game History

Round: 17

   Purchase Units - Japanese

       Japanese buy 3 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 



   Combat Move - Japanese

       1 infantry moved from Honan to Inner Mongolia

             Japanese take Inner Mongolia from Chinese

       3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey

             Japanese take Yenisey from Russians

       1 destroyer moved from 46 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone

       3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 46 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone

       2 fighters moved from 46 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone



   Combat - Japanese

       Battle in 56 Sea Zone

           Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers

           Americans defend with 1 submarine

               Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/9 hits, 4,83 expected hits

               Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits

               1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 56 Sea Zone

           Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6

           Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine



   Non Combat Move - Japanese

       2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 marine moved from Dutch New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone

       1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to French Indo China

       5 infantry moved from Honan to Hopei

       2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei

       1 infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol

       2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe

       2 artilleries moved from Hunan to Hopei

       1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan

       1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kiangsi

       1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hopei

       1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi

       2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma

       2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan

       1 bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to French Indo China

       1 bomber moved from Buryatia to French Indo China

       1 submarine moved from 76 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone

       4 carriers, 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 46 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 56 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 132 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone

       1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 46 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone

       2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 46 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

       3 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java

       1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

       1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to French Indo China

       1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to French Indo China

       1 fighter moved from Japan to French Indo China

       1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone

       1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone



   Place Units - Japanese

       1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Japan

       1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone

       3 artilleries placed in French Indo China

       3 infantry placed in Kwangtung

       3 infantry placed in Shantung



   Turn Complete - Japanese

       Japanese collect 70 PUs; end with 73 PUs

       Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 76 PUs

       Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0,17

Japanese regular : 1,17

Actually, I think atleast one fig would have to be scrambled in order to precent the amphi. Otherwise the sz would be friendly. I believe the notes to BM4 is simply wrong regarding this. If not, it doesn’t really make any sense.

Hmm, it’s actually not a strict rule, but it’s a note. They have been rephrased before. If we look at the rulebook, I think it’s pretty clear you don’t prevent an amphi by only the threat of a scramble.

@artofwar1947 said in L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V:

The note for a scramble stopping the invasion from a non-invader’s TT needs to be in more than BM4 notes for those of us do not play BM4 or (BM3).

I agree.

However, I’d say that it’s rather in the basic rule-set than the notes.

No scramble nor intercept.