L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V


  • No scrambles.



  • Weird. What happens if I scramble i e 1 fig?


  • @trulpen

    The German fighter cannot attack the US transport.


  • I was first thinking of course no scramble, but then came to think of the figs actually being able to land in Eire, thereby saving them. So scramble the 3 figs and land them there.


  • I’m not sure, but actually it seems that the scramble prevents the unloading of units although the transports can’t be attacked.

    “The sea zone may be either friendly or hostile, but if it is hostile it must be made friendly through sea combat before the amphibious assault can commence.”


  • @trulpen

    The simulations I ran allowed the Brits to land, but I will double check.


  • @artofwar1947

    I suspect the rule refers to an enemy ship in the SZ, but need to check.


  • Mainly I think it’s about the sea zone being hostile. 3A is likely not so good at managing these situations.


  • I mean, scrambled air does make the sea zone hostile.


  • It does not matter so much though, except that the units would then be stuck on the tr.


  • From the notes to BM4:

    “* (PE) You may not conduct an amphibious assault from an allied transport if the defender could scramble and you have no other combat units to protect that transport.”


  • The note is a bit wrong though. You should be able to do an amphi, but if there’s a scramble it will simply be stopped.


  • @trulpen

    I just ran another sim, and the scramble did not stop the UK infantry and art from landing or have any effect on the US transport. My planning of the US-16 and UK-16 turns was based, in no small part, on this premise. Really tired of the arcane rules that cannot be found in one place and an AA program that does accurately represent rules… Will check with a moderator about how handle this after I get some sleep.


  • We can just decide that you can go on with the attack. IT simplifies things and moves the game along, so I allow it.



  • L22 #1 trulpen (+6) vs AoW P2V.tsvg

    Game History

    Round: 16

       Purchase Units - Italians
    
           Italians buy nothing; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 
    
    
    
       Combat Move - Italians
    
           1 infantry moved from Gorky to Komi
    
                 Italians take Komi from Russians
    
    
    
       Combat - Italians
    
    
    
       Non Combat Move - Italians
    
           Turning on Edit Mode
    
           EDIT: Changing ownership of Tambov from British to Italians
    
           EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
           2 armour moved from Tula to Stalingrad
    
           1 infantry moved from Tula to Tambov
    
    
    
       Turn Complete - Italians
    
           Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8
    
               Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5,2,2,2,6
    
               Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1
    
           Italians collect 9 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :



  • L22 #1 trulpen (+6) vs AoW P2V.tsvg

    Game History

    Round: 17

       Research Technology - Germans
    
    
    
       Purchase Units - Germans
    
           Germans repair damage of 1x factory_major; Remaining resources: 105 PUs; 
    
           Germans buy 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 destroyer and 26 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
    
    
       Combat Move - Germans
    
           1 infantry moved from Samara to Urals
    
                 Germans take Urals from Russians
    
           1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan
    
           2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus
    
           1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan
    
           1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus
    
           2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
    
           1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine
    
           1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus
    
           1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan
    
           1 tactical_bomber moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus
    
           30 artilleries and 47 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
    
                 Germans take Smolensk from Russians
    
           1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
    
                 Germans take Novgorod from Russians
    
           1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
    
           1 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
    
           1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Greece
    
           1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Ukraine
    
           1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Kazakhstan
    
           1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Greece
    
    
    
       Combat - Germans
    
           Battle in Greece
    
               Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
    
               Americans defend with 1 airfield and 1 infantry
    
                   Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Greece, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2,67 expected hits
    
                   Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
    
                   1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Greece
    
               Germans win, taking Greece from Americans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
    
               Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
    
           Battle in Ukraine
    
               Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    
               British defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    
                   Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Ukraine, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits
    
                   British roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
    
                   1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ukraine
    
               Germans win, taking Ukraine from British with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
    
               Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
               Casualties for British: 1 infantry
    
           Battle in Kazakhstan
    
               Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
    
               British defend with 1 infantry
    
                   Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2,33 expected hits
    
                   Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
    
                   1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kazakhstan
    
               Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
    
               Casualties for British: 1 infantry
    
           Battle in Northern Caucasus
    
               Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
    
               Russians defend with 2 infantry
    
                   Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Northern Caucasus, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3,17 expected hits
    
                   Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Northern Caucasus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
    
                   2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northern Caucasus
    
               Germans win, taking Northern Caucasus from Russians with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
    
               Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
               Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
    
           Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Urals: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Urals
    
    
    
       Non Combat Move - Germans
    
           Trigger Urals Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Urals_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans
    
           1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad
    
           1 bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad
    
           2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Northern Caucasus to Stalingrad
    
           1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Stalingrad
    
           3 fighters moved from Eire to Western Germany
    
           1 battleship, 3 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 1 submarine and 5 transports moved from 114 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
    
           1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland
    
           1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
    
           1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
    
           1 aaGun moved from Bessarabia to Romania
    
           1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Yugoslavia
    
           1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
    
           1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
    
           2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to 116 Sea Zone
    
           2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Greece to Yugoslavia
    
           1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
    
           1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
    
           2 aaGuns moved from Russia to Smolensk
    
           1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda
    
           2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
    
    
    
       Place Units - Germans
    
           1 airfield and 3 infantry placed in Stalingrad
    
           3 infantry placed in Russia
    
           1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Germany
    
           2 infantry placed in Yugoslavia
    
           1 destroyer placed in 99 Sea Zone
    
           9 infantry placed in Western Germany
    
    
    
       Turn Complete - Germans
    
           Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
    
               Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2,5,1,6,2
    
           Germans collect 64 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 64 PUs
    
           Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 67 PUs
    
           Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
    
           Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 87 PUs
    
           Turning on Edit Mode
    
           EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 1 infantry
    
           EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Leningrad: 1 infantry
    
           EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Americans regular : -0,33

    Russians regular : 0,00

    Germans regular : 1,83

    British regular : 0,67


  • @trulpen

    Assumed no (pointless) scramble to N. Caucasus.

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