L22 BM elche (Axis) vs FlyingBadger (Allies+23) #2

New game, change teams!

@elche

I’ve had a little think :thinking_face: and a large beer :beer: so I now know what I want to do with the bid:

• Marine in India
• Sub in 98
• Sub in 91
• Sub in 106

@elche

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All the best, hope this is an enjoyable game. Good luck and have fun!

@elche Scramble the Scottish fighter to 111. No scramle to 110.

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If it’s okay with you, please use this save file instead, I’d like to edit the Russian AA gun non-combat move.

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No scramble.

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@elche My understanding of the BM rules are that, if Vichy is triggered, the French ships won’t become neutral as they are not in SZ93. Is that your understanding as well? Obviously if Vichy isn’t triggered then it doesn’t matter and the Free French navy will fight on for Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité. Vive La France! :flag-fr:

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@elche No scramble.

Regarding Vichy. The notes on the rules cover most situations and this topic contains some answers to some of the ambiguous situations. This is my understanding of the Vichy rules in BM and PtV:

• To trigger Vichy (can happen any turn), this must be the situation at the start of France’s turn.
  – The Axis have to have Normandy and Paris, but doesn’t have (and has never had) Southern France.
  – There must be no non-French Allied troops in Southern France.
• This results in all originally French territories turning Pro-Axis neutrals except.
  – French Equatorial Africa
  – New Hebrides
  – Any French territories containing non-French allied land units
• It also results in the French fleet in sz 93 changing from French to Pro-Axis neutral.
  – It will fight defensively if attacked by the Allies
  – It may not be captured by the Axis.
  – It is immediately destroyed if any power, other than the Free French, occupies Southern France
• If the Axis takes Southern France then all the Vichy Pro-Axis neatral units are removed, but any formerly Vichy Pro-Axis neautral units that were previously commandeered by the Axis remain as they are.

Triggering Vichy is initailly useful to the Axis as it takes some Allied units off the board and creates pro-Axis neutrals to capture, but it does create territories for the US or UK to capture and get income from (if they stay French then they can’t capture that income) so can benefit the Allies in the long term.

@elche said in L22 BM elche (Axis) vs FlyingBadger (Allies+23) #2:

It is my first game with Axis in BM mode, so no problem to believe you.

I’m okay on the Vichy rules, but would not consider my interpretation as authoritative, some of the wording of the rules is ambiguous.

But what have the Axis to do that the french ships dont fight for liberty and leave the map? If I dont attack Southern french but the ships are away.

This is a new one for me. I’ve looked around and searched the forums and can’t see a definative answer. My interpretation is that the rules refer to SZ93, so any French ships in any other sea zone are unaffected.

Can the french ships attack the italian navy in R1?

If the Germans and/or Italians take Paris and Normandy on round 1 then the French ships in SZ93 turn pro-Axis neutral at the start of the French turn in round 1. So, if Italy attacks them on it’s turn, they will fight back. However, they turn pro-Axis neutral at the start of the French turn, so France cannot attack with them.

@elche What I did as Axis in our first game was a clear cut Vichy triggering. What you’ve done in this game is a clear cut non-Vichy game. So I think we are good.