It has to be a full scramble, reluctantly. I didn’t really think you would not attack there.
Max D.
L22 BM4 Surfer(X) vs Sovietishcat(L+22)
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@surfer Well the idea of putting the sub in sz 19, is for you to make a choice for your tt, if your attack the sub. the tt has to stay in the sz 19, or can be move if you do an amphibious assault, if you want to move the tt to sz 6, the sub has to alive and roll for convoy otherwise why would I sacrifice a sub just for fun!
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@surfer It’s the famous sub hack!
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@sovietishcat Not completely. The transport can leave with the CVs and goto SZ6 during combat. The DD and other units will kill the sub. What it does do is prevent me from taking 2 inf from Japan and shuttling them back to Kiangsu this turn.
I just forgot to move the transport out of the combat area, and thus my edit.
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@surfer It’s player enforce, if you look at the notes, (PE) TripleA should not allow non-combat moves to be done during combat move phase.
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If your transport leaves the sz 19, it’s for combat moves ( ie amphibious assault)
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@sovietishcat I don’t think that is right. Because then you would be able to “trap” the entire fleet in SZ19!!
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@Sovietishcat I’ll post on Q&A and see what comes back.
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@surfer Sounds good!
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@Sovietishcat See post https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/18412/global-2nd-edition-q-a-aag40-2/2866
So the sub dies. Now, since you didn’t understand the rule, I suppose an equitable solution would be let the US sub to retreat with the rest of the US fleet, but then I would be free to use my transport. What say you?
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@surfer said in L22 BM4 Surfer(X) vs Sovietishcat(L+22):
@Sovietishcat See post https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/18412/global-2nd-edition-q-a-aag40-2/2866
So the sub dies. Now, since you didn’t understand the rule, I suppose an equitable solution would be let the US sub to retreat with the rest of the US fleet, but then I would be free to use my transport. What say you?
@surfer ,@Sovietishcat hold on please.
Please let Kriegshund give it another calrification about your situation with all the aspects of it.
SovCat performed a legal Sub hack here and it is basically a matter of the opponents decission on whether or whethernot to attack the sub with the following effects on it. -
@aequitas-et-veritas and @surfer Thank you all.
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@surfer said in L22 BM4 Surfer(X) vs Sovietishcat(L+22):
@Sovietishcat See post https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/18412/global-2nd-edition-q-a-aag40-2/2866
So the sub dies. Now, since you didn’t understand the rule, I suppose an equitable solution would be let the US sub to retreat with the rest of the US fleet, but then I would be free to use my transport. What say you?
I’ll take your offer and move sub back to sz 25
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 4
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0
Game History
Round: 4 Combat Move - British 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Albania 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Siam UK_Pacific take Siam from Japanese 2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Albania Combat - BritishCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@surfer Scramble sz 97? I am attacking the sub.
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No scramble. However, since I did not need to attack the sub in SZ 19, I would have moved the sub to SZ35 and the DD to SZ6.
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@surfer That’s fine, I will edit them.
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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 25 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 submarine moved from 25 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Morocco to Tunisia Americans take Tunisia from Italians 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium Combat - Americans Battle in Holland Belgium Battle in 16 Sea Zone Americans attack with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 16 Sea Zone Americans win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Americans 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western United States to 25 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 3 mech_infantrys moved from Southeast Mexico to Western United States 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Brazil to British Guiana 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 87 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 bomber moved from Midway to Queensland Place Units - Americans 1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in Western United States 1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 76 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open Chinese buy 2 artilleries; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Kwangsi 1 artillery and 16 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi Combat - Chinese Battle in Kwangsi Chinese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 16 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 16 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 4/18 hits, 3,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangsi Chinese win, taking Kwangsi from Japanese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 16 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan Place Units - Chinese 2 artilleries placed in Kwangsi Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 7 PUs Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 10 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 fighters, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Albania 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Hunan 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Siam UK_Pacific take Siam from Japanese 2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Albania Combat - British Battle in 97 Sea Zone British attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports Italians defend with 1 submarine British roll dice for 2 submarines in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone British win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine Battle in Greece Battle in Hunan British attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Hunan, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan British win, taking Greece from Italians, taking Hunan from Japanese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Albania British attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry Italians defend with 1 artillery British roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Albania, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Albania British win, taking Albania from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery Non Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta 2 fighters moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Kwangsi 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 mech_infantry moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 4 mech_infantrys moved from India to Yunnan 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 3 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo 1 infantry moved from Kenya to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 mech_infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia 2 fighters moved from Persia to Russia Place Units - British 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt 2 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South Africa 1 transport placed in 110 Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 42 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 45 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 4 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4 UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 9 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 12 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 4 infantry Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 19 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 35 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Removing units owned by British from United Kingdom: 2 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 2 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0,33 Americans regular : 1,50 Italians regular : 0,67 Japanese regular : -1,00 British regular : 2,83 -
@surfer I know the USA bonuses are going to gone soon, but felt good to have more$$
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Tambov 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Tambov 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia Combat - Italians Battle in Tambov Italians attack with 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tambov Italians win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Tunisia Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry Americans defend with 1 armour Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 armour in Tunisia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Americans lost in Tunisia Italians win, taking Tunisia from Americans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Italians 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 bomber moved from Tambov to Ukraine Place Units - Italians 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 9 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2,3,6,1,1,3,6,2,5,3,6,3,4 Italians collect 5 PUs (9 lost to blockades); end with 5 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from France: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Northern Italy: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.50 Italians regular : 0.83 Russians regular : 0.67 -
@surfer Just to let you know the 2 UK infs are on a USA tt in the chanel.
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