PtV Nikola1975 (axis+6) vs Max334

@TinCanoftheSea

also nice to play you again. any time you want to play again let me no.

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 7

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 1 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria Japanese take Northern Manchuria from Chinese 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 3 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Olgiy to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei Japanese take Hopei from Chinese 1 marine moved from Eastern India to 40 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 82 Sea Zone to Iraq 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 40 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 submarine moved from 40 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in 81 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 transport; ANZAC defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the ANZAC and 1 transport owned by the British lost in 81 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 81 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 transport Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in 3 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 submarine Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 3 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in Iraq Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 1 marine and 4 tactical_bombers British defend with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys; Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship in Iraq, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters, 1 marine and 4 tactical_bombers in Iraq, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 5.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Iraq, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese, 1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 marine owned by the Japanese lost in Iraq 1 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the British and 2 armour owned by the British lost in Iraq Japanese win with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys Battle in Kansu Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Chinese defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Kansu, round 2 : 2/11 hits, 2.67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Kansu, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kansu 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kansu Japanese win, taking Kansu from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 aaGun moved from Olgiy to Kansu 1 artillery moved from Jehol to Anhwe 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Japan 6 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria 1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Kiangsu 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Iraq to Syria 1 carrier moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 4 carriers, 3 cruisers and 2 destroyers moved from 40 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea Place Units - Japanese 1 destroyer placed in 20 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 4 fighters placed in Japan 2 infantry placed in Kiangsu 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Eastern India 5 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.33 Japanese regular : -0.33 Russians regular : 0.67

Savegame

@Martin

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Game History

Round: 9 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan 2 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers British defend with 13 infantry; Russians defend with 1 bomber Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 8/14 hits, 7.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 bomber and 13 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 4/14 hits, 4.50 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 bomber owned by the Russians and 7 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 3 : 8/10 hits, 6.00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 6 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 6 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan Japanese win with 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Casualties for British: 13 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China 6 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China Place Units - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu 6 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,5,1,4,2,1,3,2,1,4 Japanese collect 32 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 32 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.50 Japanese regular : 2.67

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 18

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 18 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Kursk to Ukraine 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Smolensk to Ukraine 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Yenisey to Yakut S.S.R. Russians take Yakut S.S.R. from Japanese Combat - Russians Battle in Ukraine Russians attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Ukraine, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter moved from Russia to Northern Sinkiang 1 infantry moved from Olgiy to Northern Sinkiang 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Northern Caucasus 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Northern Caucasus 1 infantry moved from Russia to Gorky 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Smolensk 9 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Kursk to Rostov 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Kursk 2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Kursk 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Kursk 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov Place Units - Russians 1 infantry placed in Urals 10 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 30 PUs; end with 32 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 35 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : 0.33

Savegame

I assumed no intercept in Moscow.

Can I edit the Italian AA Guns to N Italy?

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia ANZAC take Ethiopia from Italians Combat - ANZAC Battle in Java Non Combat Move - ANZAC 3 fighters moved from 58 Sea Zone to Eastern India 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 58 Sea Zone to Western Australia 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 58 Sea Zone to Western Australia 1 submarine moved from 64 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Hawaiian Islands 2 infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to New Guinea Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,6,1,6,5,3,1,2,1,5,3,3,5,4,6,5,4,2,2,6,6,5 ANZAC collect 11 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 17 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Morocco Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Territory Summary for ANZAC and French :

Hawaiian Islands : 1 fighter and 2 infantry United Kingdom : 2 infantry Egypt : 1 infantry Eastern India : 3 fighters Ethiopia : 1 flag, 1 infantry Western Australia : 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine New Guinea : 1 artillery and 1 infantry New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 harbour Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 2 infantry New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour Morocco : 1 fighter Java : 1 flag, 1 infantry 83 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag 59 Sea Zone : 1 transport 58 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport 27 Sea Zone : 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 61 / 79 Russians : 31 / 36 Japanese : 61 / 72 Americans : 51 / 76 Chinese : 5 / 5 British : 27 / 29 UK_Pacific : 6 / 9 Italians : 19 / 40 ANZAC : 14 / 23 French : 1 / 0 Dutch : 0 / 0 Mongolians : 0 / 0 Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0 Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0 Neutral_True : 20 / 0

Savegame

@VictoryFirst said in L25 G40 OOB Gamerman01 (x) v VictoryFirst (+50):

When and why did you go back to OOB? And who are you playing right now?

To see what people have been playing go to the “player query” tab of the ELO spreadsheet and type in someone’s name. There, you could see that my last BM game finished 8/17/24.

BM was exciting when it came out because it was a variant with a lot of new rules to learn and figure out how to master. Several were very attractive, like making the Japan vs. Russia DOW interesting instead of meaningless. At some point in OOB history, there was a +10 IPC cash infusion to Russia or Japan if the other declared war. It ended up in 2nd edition to just be Mongolia.

BM addressed various areas of OOB that most people didn’t like.
From memory,

US doesn’t make enough money, doesn’t have enough NO’s. A lot of islands with no IPC value ANZAC and India can be squashed by Japan “too easily”. India only making 6 not perceived as enough - people didn’t like unstoppable India Crush. People didn’t like China losing the 6 IPC NO and not being able to get it back and being made more irrelevant. So these changes were all about slowing Japan. The garrison rule in China. Apparently they thought the Med was way under-valued, so put a bunch of NO’s in there Yunnan bid smashed by a rule that Russia can’t go into China until at war.

There’s probably more.

After awhile, I actually realized I liked OOB better.
It’s quite a bit simpler. It just needed a bit bigger bid than the 20 we ended up at when BM was made.
I strongly disagree with all these NO’s in the Med and with the idea that all islands should have income values. Most islands are valuable as landing spaces and places to build bases, even with 0 IPC value. If you follow the IPC value philosophy, then Bessarabia should be worth something.
I don’t like the China garrison rule and nerfing the Burma road to 3. I don’t think more NO’s were needed. I don’t have a problem with a capital being sacked more than once - that’s A&A. I don’t have a problem with OOB treatment of Paris liberation.

Then there’s the fact that OOB is what is played out there, since it’s the standard game.

Your 3rd question,
I have been playing Oysteilo for over 2 years on a single game. It was one of my first coming back to OOB. He did the Yunnan bid, and that and the fact that I suffered a bottom 4% result in Paris has made it a very long slog. We played with a new map skin and were both disoriented for several rounds. It was supposed to be just a fun and crazy - try out a cool new map skin game and quickly turned into a very competitive game.

They’re waiting on me to finally start the 2nd OOB playoff game for 2024. Yeah, 2024.
So I’m probably not really supposed to be taking on any new challenges at all, but finishing an old game is not a new game.