TGC (Allies) vs. VictoryFirst (Axis) Anniversary '41 - OoB, no bid

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 1 factory, 6 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 7 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 7 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Finland
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Norway
              British take Norway from Germans
        1 battleship moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 7 Sea Zone to Finland
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Persia to India
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to India

    Combat - British
        Battle in India
            British attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 5 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 5 infantry in India, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in India, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in India
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in India, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in India, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in India
            British win, taking India from Japanese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
        Battle in Finland
            British attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Finland, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Finland
            British win, taking Finland from Germans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 aaGun moved from Persia to India
        2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Union of South Africa
        1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 29 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from India to Chinghai
        1 fighter moved from Archangel to Chinghai
        2 fighters moved from Finland to 5 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Canada to Eastern Canada
        1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 2 Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        1 factory placed in Union of South Africa
        1 transport placed in 2 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 6 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 35 PUs; end with 36 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.33
Germans regular : 1.00
British regular : 3.17

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 armour, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Chinese builds 1 units.

    Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 43 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 24 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 12 Sea Zone to Morocco Algeria
              Americans take Morocco Algeria from Germans
        1 bomber moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Manchuria
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Italy

    Combat - Americans
        Strategic bombing raid in Manchuria
            Bombing raid in Manchuria rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory
            Bombing raid in Manchuria causes 6 damage total. 
        Strategic bombing raid in Italy
                Italians roll AA dice in Italy : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Italy rolls: 3 and causes: 3 damage to unit: factory
            Bombing raid in Italy causes 3 damage total. 

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from Italy to United Kingdom
        1 bomber moved from Manchuria to Chinghai
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Russia
        1 fighter moved from Brazil to Union of South Africa
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Canada to 1 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 1 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 12 Sea Zone to Morocco Algeria
        1 destroyer moved from 1 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 56 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada
        2 infantry moved from Western Canada to Eastern Canada
        1 armour moved from Western United States to Eastern United States

    Place Units - Americans
        1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 armour placed in Western United States
        1 fighter placed in Western United States
        6 infantry placed in Eastern United States
        Americans undo move 3.
        1 fighter placed in 56 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 56 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 12 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Chinghai

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians AA : -0.17

Savegame

@VictoryFirst in the UK turn the DD didn’t move with the transport from sz43 to 24 which was the intent (along the bottom of the map). If that affected the Italian turn let me know and I’ll put it back.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 armour and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        2 infantry moved from Russia to Eastern Ukraine
        8 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia
        1 armour moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Caucasus to Eastern Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Caucasus to Belorussia

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Belorussia
            Russians attack with 1 armour and 8 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 2 armour and 1 artillery
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 8 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 1 artillery in Belorussia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
            Russians win, taking Belorussia from Germans with 1 armour and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 armour and 1 artillery
        Battle in Ukraine
            Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine
            Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
        Battle in Karelia S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 factory
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Karelia S.S.R. from Germans with 1 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
        Battle in Eastern Ukraine
            Russians attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Eastern Ukraine, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Eastern Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Eastern Ukraine
            Russians win, taking Eastern Ukraine from Italians with 1 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia
        1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Chinghai
        3 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Novosibirsk
        3 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug
        1 aaGun moved from Russia to Eastern Ukraine
        1 aaGun moved from Caucasus to Ukraine

    Place Units - Russians
        1 armour placed in Russia
        3 infantry placed in Caucasus
        4 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.50
Germans regular : 0.17
Russians regular : 0.83

Savegame

@victoryfirst I’m learning a lot by playing these games with you. Your style/strategy is definitely different and its forcing me to adapt my “tried and true” strategies a bit.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 armour and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Ukraine
        2 infantry moved from Russia to Eastern Ukraine
        8 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia
        1 armour moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Caucasus to Eastern Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Caucasus to Belorussia

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Belorussia
            Russians attack with 1 armour and 8 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 2 armour and 1 artillery
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 8 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 1 artillery in Belorussia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
            Russians win, taking Belorussia from Germans with 1 armour and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 armour and 1 artillery
        Battle in Ukraine
            Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine
            Russians win, taking Ukraine from Germans with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
        Battle in Karelia S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 factory
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Karelia S.S.R. from Germans with 1 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
        Battle in Eastern Ukraine
            Russians attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Eastern Ukraine, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Eastern Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Eastern Ukraine
            Russians win, taking Eastern Ukraine from Italians with 1 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia
        1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Chinghai
        3 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Novosibirsk
        3 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug
        1 aaGun moved from Russia to Eastern Ukraine
        1 aaGun moved from Caucasus to Ukraine

    Place Units - Russians
        1 armour placed in Russia
        3 infantry placed in Caucasus
        4 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Eastern Ukraine: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Kazakh S.S.R.: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.50
Germans regular : 0.17
Russians regular : 0.83

Savegame

@VictoryFirst edit was changing a non-com AA placement. final answer is the second posting

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 bomber moved from Chinghai to Baltic States
        2 fighters moved from 5 Sea Zone to Baltic States
        1 armour moved from Norway to 5 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Finland to 5 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 transports moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to 6 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 6 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Baltic States

    Combat - British
        Battle in Baltic States
            British attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 9 armour
                British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 9 armour in Baltic States, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                5 armour owned by the Germans, 1 artillery owned by the British and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Baltic States
                British roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Baltic States, round 3 : 4/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 4 armour in Baltic States, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                4 armour owned by the Germans, 1 fighter owned by the British and 2 armour owned by the British lost in Baltic States
            British win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for British: 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 9 armour

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 transport moved from 2 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Canada to 1 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 1 Sea Zone to 2 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 2 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 destroyer moved from 2 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Baltic States to 5 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Russia
        1 fighter moved from Chinghai to Caucasus
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 24 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 28 Sea Zone to Union of South Africa
        1 destroyer moved from 27 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 24 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        1 bomber placed in United Kingdom
        1 armour and 1 fighter placed in Union of South Africa
        3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 12 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 7 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.50
British regular : 1.50

Savegame

@victoryfirst

What rules do you feel are not out-of-box rules?

The only advice I feel may (or may not) help is to withhold serious attacks by Germany into the USSR after G1. Maybe if your preserve your strength until game turn 5ish - and coordinate these tank assaults with the Japanese that should be coming up at that time, it will be enough to overwhelm them.

When I’m playing as the allies, I feel like I’m defeating the German attacks, then turning to face the Japanese. If they kicked off at the same time, I don’t feel sure what would happen.

@victoryfirst its hard to find players/opponents, even on this website. I am happy to play as many games as you like whenever you like even if there is a long hiatus. When I was putting “Classic” through its paces, I had a novel strategy - took it online here - got beat up a bunch and essentially told “you can’t play it that way” by folks who ‘knew better’. I went back to the drawing board, made some tweaks to my initial strategy and now its a (my) signature move. I was glad to play those fellows but was appalled at their reaction to someone presenting a different approach. I swore if/when the time came and the roles were reversed, I would not be critical of something new/unseen/unusual or otherwise “out of the box”.

All this to say, if you stay on this strategy and make a tweak here or there - you may indeed have something that is quite competitive. And as you allude to, if it is competitive with the optional rules calibrated as we have them, I feel you’ll only have a much easier time if they are )calibrated differently in some other game you might play. =)

@victoryfirst I would call this “common” or “fairly common”, ya (although I can’t see the history to analyze how the attack went).

Either way, if this happened to me:

1. Italy/Germany needs to consolidate in East Poland immediately. That Italian tank is already in the wrong spot. We will be stronger than Russia in a few turns but until then, we need to preserve our strength and not lose core units. To that end, “Taking a knee” for a couple turns is totally okay. Send the Italian armor to East Poland. The Italian fighters is also available but is not necessary. I would have placed him in France but not a big deal for this example.

2. On Germany’s turn we put every non-air piece we have into East Poland. The land defense now is 7 tanks (1 Italian), 4 infantry, 2 artillery, and we should throw in one German fighter to seal the deal. To add more fighters is overkill, so I wouldn’t.

3. You’re flanks might look empty but USSR tanks are out of position to blitz Ukraine so he will have to send in an infantry to secure it - which is good for Germany. And in this case, since the transport is still alive, I might sealift a single german infantry into Baltic states to disallow the blitz - or ignore it as its only 1 IPC and we can possibly blitz it back later. I might sea lift a single infantry in Karelia.

Lot’s of possibilities here as Germany - looks exciting imo. I would happily pick it up here as the Axis or we could switch sides in our next game. Anyway, thanks for posting this. This was really fun to pick-a-part.