I use a LL chart for Russia and sometimes UK gets a Destroyer. Plus in Ger NA I have if they get they can buy a Ger piece and place at a Italy ic or buy Italy 1 piece and place at a Italian ic. I think this is best way so you don’t interfere with the Transports. Besides I have enough convoy raiding going on in the Atlantic. If you guys are interested in my rules and game NA just to give u more ideas I can post more here if you’d like.
The Map Modification Question
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If its just “1 air unit” then Germany can send planes to attack it.
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They never attacked Gibraltar cause they didn’t have the range… Or if they did it was defended by AA so well it wasn’t worth it… 1-2 AA on Gibraltar in OOB?
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nope OOB had nothing at Gibraltar
only a battleship in the sea zone next to itas for range, in game its certainly within FTR or BMR range
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 9, 2006, 6:16 PM
If you guys want we could allow some free shot thing against passing ships in or out of gibrater…except the fact that Italy had no fuel to move from the medd into the atlantic. Plus where would the go? southern africa? Baltic?
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so in the end are we placing any restrictions?
a cost system like for deserts would limit deployment to a minimal level at Gibraltar
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No, I know my OOB, I am just saying if you want to add something more… If you were to do that, I would say allow them to shoot once (per nation) at any non-submarine Naval Vessel that passes through the straights…
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 9, 2006, 8:25 PM
Yea id go for that as well. only Gibrater and possibly the denmark straights and the english channel should get this. In Turkey into the black sea it should just not be allowed and treated as the panama and suez canal.
id say two rolls of three for each passing of enemy ships per turn. Also any planes at gibrater can immediatly intercept and attack these ships in addition to the free preemtive barrage.
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Ok so no restrictions on force buildup at Gibraltar, let them put 10 ARM there.
Yeah ok Turkey/Black Sea now act like Panama and Suez Canal. But really Balkan and Turkey should be adjacent territories?
Denmark straights is certainly reasonable.
It would be Germany realistically…but the AAR map made it look like it should be France with the ability attack ships entering Baltic Sea?English channel is a bit over the top though
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 10, 2006, 5:07 PM
The idea of adding the English channel was due to this:
http://www.scharnhorst-class.dk/scharnhorst/history/scharncerberus.html
as you can see these channels were mined and it is quite easy to intercept ships via air and such… its not exactly a gun of navarone thing but perhaps it may fit the profile as we have for the Danish straights.
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oh I see
actually this can be quite important
it models the restrictions Germany had with surface shipsso what do you think about Balkan and Turkey?
I think realistically they should act as adjacent territories for non-combat move but not combat-move
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 11, 2006, 12:19 AM
oh I see
actually this can be quite important
it models the restrictions Germany had with surface shipsso what do you think about Balkan and Turkey?
I think realistically they should act as adjacent territories for non-combat move but not combat-move
but thats too complicated so I guess forget itTreat Turkey the same as suez and panama… meaning Turkey has to be allied or conquered ( under your control) for ships to pass.
IN the dannish straights finland must be controlled?
balkans and turkey dont both need to be controlled because the turkish straights are Turkish territory on both sides.
What we should allow is land units to pass from (or attack) from Balkans to Turkey.
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@Imperious:
IN the dannish straights finland must be controlled?
Norway or Finland?
What we should allow is land units to pass from (or attack) from Balkans to Turkey.
ok so you also think its reasonable
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 11, 2006, 4:46 PM
Norway or Finland?
++++ id does not matter . its the same territory on the map. Under the new map we could change this
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What we should allow is land units to pass from (or attack) from Balkans to Turkey.ok so you also think its reasonable
+++ yep
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@Imperious:
Norway or Finland?
++++ id does not matter . its the same territory on the map. Under the new map we could change thisIn the new map it would be Norway not Finland right?
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 13, 2006, 5:11 AM
The original map has them as one. The new map with Italy will have them as seperate.
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I mean it would be Norway not Finland that has the special ability.
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 15, 2006, 5:34 PM
Yes correct.
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With this special interdiction thing at Norway and Gilbratar. I don’t know where to post so I just post here.
Name? Strait Interdiction?
When? Both Combat and Non-Combat?
The Model? Unlimited firing? Return fire by ships stopping further firing for the turn?
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Aug 17, 2006, 5:06 PM
Straight Interdiction is a good name
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The Denmark straights ( germany) were lined with submarine nets and this ID defence, not norway.
Penalty: 2 rolls of three against any ship that attempts to pass into Baltic. also immediate air interdiction possible from any planes in Germany. -
The Gibraltar straights : Much the same thing but with more guns. The pattern to get thru the straights was a laid out zig zag pattern of sub nets, while this was under the full “gauntlet” of guns shooting at ships. Penalty: 2 rolls of three for any axis ship going into or out of the straights.Of course planes in GIbrater base can immediatly interdict.
Note: Soviet ships built or placed in the Baltic face the same penalties. If they stay in the Baltic thats fine, but if they move out they get shot at.
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Strait of Gibraltar - Gibraltar - SZ 12/13
Denmark - Germany - SZ 5/6
English Channel - United Kingdom/Western Europe - SZ 6/72 rolls of three
Why 2 dice? How about simply…
Roll a dice against each enemy ship hitting on 4 or less.immediate air interdiction possible
We already have…
Air interdiction (made during active turn, performed during passive turn) covering adjacent territories/SZ
Defensive Air Support (made during active turn) letting you fight in adjacent territories/SZIts getting complicated. To streamline this Air Interdiction should be a rapid response thing just like Defensive Air Support).
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