So this is what I estimate the battle for Moscow to look like if we turtle. Smolensk vs Vologda.
@crockett36 we win btw
@crockett36 what is the estimated battle?
@crockett36 smolensk vs Vologda
@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:
@crockett36 smolensk vs Vologda
8 tanks, 1 mech next turn, all dive bombers turn after, all bombers turn after. Sound correct?
@crockett36 sorry, that was projected German purchases. Russian man spam.
@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:
@crockett36 how about this. I think i can keep leningrad, ukraine for one more turn. and let the russian figs defend yunnan. All of that and still turtle back to Moscow? Am I right?
It basically looks good. I reiterate. Would by only inf saving 2 IPC. Means R will be able to build 13 inf instead of 12 next turn.
Italy can’t can-open the Baltic now, which is good.
I would prefer to keep stuff in Belarus and W Ukraine, keeping pressure on E Poland. This is not so important though, since R can’t force the hand anyway if/when G stacks there.
However, Ukraine is rather safe and if G wants to trade 2 mech, 1 tank for 3 inf, then it’s good for us.
The air to Yunnan might be good, but not sure it’s needed. J has positive odds, but negative TUV, anyway. Think the air might be better in Caucasus, helping with the crush of Iraq.
UK will be able to swing in 4 inf, 2 fig, 1 sb for a strafe. Maybe want to take that down to 4 inf, 1 fig, 1 sb to avoid killing all the inf.
I’d move the sub to z110 in order to salvage it and join it with the allied fleet later. It will make a bigger impact then as convoy disrupter in the Med and possible can-opener than becoming fish food next turn.
Regarding the battle expectation for Moscow I still think it’s too early to extrapolate. I mean, it’s not really constructive since it may change a lot. Time is better invested in boiling down the overall strategy.
Despite what has been told about northern pressure I don’t understand what the maneuver to z4 is supposed to achieve. As it is now, it negates the Russian NO so G won’t even have to put a ship in z125 before controlling Archangel. Anyway, we’ll see how it plays out.
Real deal coming up shortly
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
Non Combat Move - Russians
1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 15 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
4 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
9 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
Place Units - Russians
3 infantry placed in Ukraine
9 infantry placed in Russia
Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 39 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
abh, Japan is up.
ABH PLEASE DO NOT OPEN.
This is my guess as to what he will do. I’m in some fibro myalgia pain and trying to distract myself.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0
Game History
Round: 2
Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 1 airfield and 2 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;
Combat Move - Japanese
1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
Japanese take Hunan from Chinese
1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
1 armour moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
1 armour moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
1 artillery moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
1 bomber, 6 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Japan to 16 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Japan to 16 Sea Zone
Combat - Japanese
Battle in Java
Battle in Sumatra
Battle in Celebes
Battle in 45 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 fighter
ANZAC defend with 1 transport
1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 45 Sea Zone
Japanese win, taking Java from Dutch, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Celebes from Dutch with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
Battle in Shan State
Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers
British defend with 3 infantry; ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Shan State, round 2 : 6/14 hits, 7.33 expected hits
UK_Pacific roll dice for 4 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for British: 3 infantry
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
Battle in 16 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 2 fighters
Americans defend with 1 destroyer
Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 16 Sea Zone
Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter
Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
Battle in 39 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
British defend with 1 destroyer
Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 39 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 39 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 39 Sea Zone
Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
Battle in Dutch New Guinea
Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Dutch New Guinea, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Dutch New Guinea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Dutch New Guinea
Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Japanese
1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Dutch New Guinea to 42 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from Dutch New Guinea to 42 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 16 Sea Zone to Japan
2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
2 artilleries, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi
1 fighter moved from Shan State to French Indo China
1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to French Indo China
1 bomber, 5 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Shan State to Kwangsi
1 artillery moved from Chahar to Hopei
1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria
1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Japan
1 destroyer moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
2 battleships, 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Caroline Islands
1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
Place Units - Japanese
1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung
1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
1 airfield placed in French Indo China
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 1 airfield
EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 1 harbour
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Turn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 55 PUs; end with 58 PUs
Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.67
Japanese regular : 1.33
ANZAC regular : -0.33
UK_Pacific regular : -0.33
British regular : -0.33
Oops, selected an airfield instead of the harbor so edited.
China holding on to Yunnan is a big gain for income and will be a major problem for Japan for a while. I was considering something more aggressive such as strafing Burma with my airforce followed by J3 takeover of India, but calculated it was just a little too risky.
I hate Allied destroyers so chose to take out a couple of them with fighters. It is a good trade in terms of value. I also strafed off the infantry standing in Western New Guinea since it is such a challenge for the Allies to get more troops to that island.
Japan is doing quite well at the end of J2, achieving all of the objectives except for Yunnan. I will need more ground units to deal with China so have two factories to crank out troops. Meanwhile, the Allied fleet is completely out of position with the Americans doing something strange up in Siberia and ANZAC unable to do much useful. The fighters in Queensland would have much more problematic as they could have attacked a fleet if I had insufficient strength.
I looked at your map and think that the moves I chose are significantly better. Let me know if you feel any of your choices were superior.
I don’t think I need to bring my fleet back up to the Sea of Japan as the Americans don’t have much choice but to retreat anyway. They currently are in such a useless spot that they don’t bother Japan. I want to have the flexibility for a strong attack into India on J4 or J5, and scare off any ability for ANZAC to start a real fleet.
So I haven’t look at the map. I skimmed the above text. So US will attack Gibraltar. Taskforce Endzone will noncom into the sea of Japan and convoy. I will bring a bomber into position to bomb Japan. I will buy a carrier and two planes and a destroyer.
I will follow up with a strafe of Gibraltar with the London fighters and bomber. I am tempted to strafe time but I’ll bet it’s 50/50. And I think we’re ahead except for the likelihood of losing Calcutta but that cannot be helped if Japan wants it.
@crockett36 not time. Rather Rome.
