ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game

@trulpen we need to study map. He won’t have the force multipliers in the attacks. Defense will be more deadly

I need to do the Moscow calculator too

@crockett36 how about this. I think i can keep leningrad, ukraine for one more turn. and let the russian figs defend yunnan. All of that and still turtle back to Moscow? Am I right?

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 2

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 2 artilleries and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 15 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        9 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
        2 fighters moved from Kazakhstan to Yunnan
        1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
        2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
        6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey

    Place Units - Russians
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
        6 infantry placed in Russia

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 2 artilleries and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 15 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        9 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
        2 fighters moved from Kazakhstan to Yunnan
        1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
        2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
        6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey

    Place Units - Russians
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
        6 infantry placed in Russia
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Vologda: 8 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Vologda: 85 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Vologda: 4 aaGuns
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Vologda: 5 artilleries
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Vologda: 2 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 26 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 13 mech_infantrys
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 15 armour
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 2 bombers and 2 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 3 armour
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 8 armour and 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 6 tactical_bombers
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 5 bombers
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Smolensk: 5 artilleries
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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So this is what I estimate the battle for Moscow to look like if we turtle. Smolensk vs Vologda.

@crockett36 we win btw

@crockett36 what is the estimated battle?

@surfer

@crockett36 smolensk vs Vologda

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

@crockett36 smolensk vs Vologda

8 tanks, 1 mech next turn, all dive bombers turn after, all bombers turn after. Sound correct?

@crockett36 sorry, that was projected German purchases. Russian man spam.

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

@crockett36 how about this. I think i can keep leningrad, ukraine for one more turn. and let the russian figs defend yunnan. All of that and still turtle back to Moscow? Am I right?

It basically looks good. I reiterate. Would by only inf saving 2 IPC. Means R will be able to build 13 inf instead of 12 next turn.

Italy can’t can-open the Baltic now, which is good.

I would prefer to keep stuff in Belarus and W Ukraine, keeping pressure on E Poland. This is not so important though, since R can’t force the hand anyway if/when G stacks there.

However, Ukraine is rather safe and if G wants to trade 2 mech, 1 tank for 3 inf, then it’s good for us.

The air to Yunnan might be good, but not sure it’s needed. J has positive odds, but negative TUV, anyway. Think the air might be better in Caucasus, helping with the crush of Iraq.

UK will be able to swing in 4 inf, 2 fig, 1 sb for a strafe. Maybe want to take that down to 4 inf, 1 fig, 1 sb to avoid killing all the inf.

I’d move the sub to z110 in order to salvage it and join it with the allied fleet later. It will make a bigger impact then as convoy disrupter in the Med and possible can-opener than becoming fish food next turn.

Regarding the battle expectation for Moscow I still think it’s too early to extrapolate. I mean, it’s not really constructive since it may change a lot. Time is better invested in boiling down the overall strategy.

Despite what has been told about northern pressure I don’t understand what the maneuver to z4 is supposed to achieve. As it is now, it negates the Russian NO so G won’t even have to put a ship in z125 before controlling Archangel. Anyway, we’ll see how it plays out.

Real deal coming up shortly

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Ukraine
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 15 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        4 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        9 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        6 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
        2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
        2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov

    Place Units - Russians
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        9 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 39 PUs

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abh, Japan is up.

ABH PLEASE DO NOT OPEN.

This is my guess as to what he will do. I’m in some fibro myalgia pain and trying to distract myself.

@crockett36 triplea_37451_2rus (2).tsvg

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 airfield and 2 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
              Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
              Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
              Japanese take Hunan from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
              Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        1 armour moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 armour moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
        1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 artillery moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 bomber, 6 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
        1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Japan to 16 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Japan to 16 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Java
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in Celebes
        Battle in 45 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 45 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Java from Dutch, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Celebes from Dutch with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in Shan State
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 3 infantry; ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Shan State, round 2 : 6/14 hits, 7.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 4 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
            Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 3 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
        Battle in 16 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 16 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 39 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 39 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 39 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 39 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Dutch New Guinea
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Dutch New Guinea, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Dutch New Guinea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Dutch New Guinea
            Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 39 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Dutch New Guinea to 42 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Dutch New Guinea to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 16 Sea Zone to Japan
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
        1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi
        1 fighter moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        1 bomber, 5 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Shan State to Kwangsi
        1 artillery moved from Chahar to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
        1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 destroyer moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 battleships, 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Caroline Islands
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung
        1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
        1 airfield placed in French Indo China
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 1 airfield
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 1 harbour
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 55 PUs; end with 58 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67
Japanese regular : 1.33
ANZAC regular : -0.33
UK_Pacific regular : -0.33
British regular : -0.33

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