Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+23) BM3

ok we see it. I have never played with the 14 version.

let’s take it easy there is also the League

for the offer I think about it…

@trulpen hey I just saw this and would like to be involved. Would you all consider oob and the bid gargantuan has suggested: 3 fighters on front line and 6 mechanics east of Moscow?

since this is a tutor game i am throwing in my 2 cents here. If you play OOB with a healthy bid at least +50.

Priority 1: stack Yunnan R1. Bid: 1 chinese inf and 2 russian fighters (moscow and stalingrad) 23 ipc

Priority 2: fighter scotland and sub 110. This makes it too risky to take out both british fleets 110 and 111. Now we are at 39 ipc total

Personally i would also place sub in egypt sz and maybe also in gibraltar and canada. Here you might have other priorities and place men in eastern USSR, but really I dont see the need for more than 2 artillary to team up with the 18 russians +2 AA

For BM at 20:

french inf to normandy (makes vichy more complicated)
fighter scotland
sub egypt
1 ipc to india

here I am (the weekend are not very operational)

I would say to try in the BM3 version

As a BID I usually assign it to the UK…

Definitely a fig in Scotland and a sub in sz 98… There remains room for an artillery in Sudan (to eliminate the Duke of Aosta from the Duce’s undertaking).

@oysteilo

Indeed, the alternative is to make it difficult for vichy and 1 ipc … India…

but perhaps it is a priority to eliminate the Italians quickly?

basically … I would go like this :)

So I am not into balanced mod, but if you all explain the strategic differences when those differences make a differences, then I’m in.

@avner said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+20) BM3:

here I am (the weekend are not very operational)

I would say to try in the BM3 version

As a BID I usually assign it to the UK…

Definitely a fig in Scotland and a sub in sz 98… There remains room for an artillery in Sudan (to eliminate the Duke of Aosta from the Duce’s undertaking).

I think this is as good as it gets, but we need more brainpower if we are going to have a chance against trulpens navy buy with germany and italy. A bid of 20 is probably not enough

I like the idea of giving all the bid to the Brits :flag-gb:. Helping against the G1 attacks on the Royal Navy and maybe also helping Russia by taking some German planes down. Also units to boost the attacks on the Italian navy (if the Taranto raid is part of the plan?) in the Med and troops in Africa. I feel a UK bid gives the best value and helps the Allies immediately and hopefully throughout the game, but what are the alternative bids and accompanying strategies?

Are there any tried and tested use of bids for the Chinese or UK Pacific to help against Japan?

Does anyone give serious help to the French and does this force the Germans to reduce their attacks on the Royal Navy?

First comment: a bid of A+21 is now common for BM3 games among equal opponents. I would suggest something in the vicinity of A+30 since Avner has less experience.

You will want to have units that are very impactful in the first round. An infantry in NG is the best bang for the buck of any bid and is a no-brainer under these rules.

That leaves 17 points in this bid. I highly recommend a fighter in Scotland as it makes it very difficult for the Germans to sink all of the Atlantic fleets. That would be 10 points.

A marine in India is extremely useful as it can take Sumatra or another money island on round 1 with the cruiser, leading to a 4 point gain and maybe giving the Japanese a headache. Also could consider a marine in New Zealand to break some bonuses. That would be 5 points.

A sub in SZ91 or 106 is enormously helpful in keeping those fleets alive and counter attacking on the first round. I would favor 106 if you only chose one of those.

Just my $0.02. For $20, I would put 1 ftr in Scotland (defends fleet), a sub in SZ 96 (for Taranto), 1 inf in NG, and $1 to India. I’ve never played with the rule to allow NG placement, but I can see the advantage.

The only concern will be that this bid is against a typical opponent, i.e., Germans focused on Russia. And since this is a learning game perhaps that is just as good as can be made.

However, just for the record, @trulpen has a preference for a large German fleet to prevent any Western beach head plus if allowed to grow unchecked, will dominate the Med and prevent US build ups.

To counter that strategy, the Allies have three goals: a) save as much of the British fleet Turn 1 as possible to allow them to unite with the US, b) build the US navy in the Atlantic to force a naval arms race, and c) play somewhat loosely with the Russians because the Germans will not be able to spend as much on Barbarosa.

Saving the fleet means 1 ftr in Scotland a must bid
I’m not sure how to spend the remaining 10.

Taranto is a good (but not great) counter, because the aircraft that leave London, coupled with the German naval buy, make Sea Lion a possibility. Most people would say that early sea lion is a loser, but @trulpen is too crafty for that. He will simply threaten sea lion and continue to build. The result is that the UK continually has to defend London and cannot focus on the Middle East.

I think I would support a Gibbastion like move UK1 so that the Allies have naval superiority in the Atlantic. The concern is that the BM3/4 + Vichy can make Italy a real threat early in the game. If they threaten Egypt, then Gibbastion is not so good.
Thus, I would add 2 units to support Egypt. I would add 3, but 1 inf in NG is so yummy that hard to turn down.

@trulpen said in Tutor game: trulpen (X) vs Avner [and everyone else] (A+20) BM3:

Bombers cost 14. Inf on NG is allowed.

Sorry for my stupid question, what is NG ? Suppose it is not NewGuinea…