What if the Soviet Union joined the Axis and Japan joined the Allies (well really Japan erupting into an Imperial Civil War)?

@nolimit

Thank you for replying to my messages so quickly!

I guess we really should’t get too crazy with moving industrial complexes, there wouldn’t be as crazy of a need, as most of the fighting would take place out of Soviet soil (at least, not the European half).

Also, what do you mean by “Bids”? Thank you!

@nolimit

I’m not a big fan of that either, unless they are small changes that are part of a national advantage that creates other changes in the game-for example:

“Atlantic Wall
Stretching from Bordeaux to Denmark and even to Norway the German Military made use of extensive defensive fortifications to keep the western allies off the continent.
During any amphibious assault your Infantry and Artillery defend on a ‘3’ during the first round of combat. Also, Germany gets a free AAA in any territory it controls during Setup.”

Thank you for answering all my questions!

@superbattleshipyamato

I am close to finishing my first game using these rules, but the Allies are going to win. If people request it, I will add a full battle report, but the Axis made some mistakes. Despite these mistakes, to balance it out, I am adding this rule (I am adding this to my first post as well):

Germany can move troops into Finland in their first turn-Germany therefore gains the IPCs from the territory. At the start of Germany’s second turn, Germany must move any units moved into Finland out of the territory, if possible (if possible, that action must be done). All mobilised Finnish troops will stay in the territory, and Finland will become a strict neutral, and Germany will no longer control the territory. If Finland is attacked, Germany will gain control of the territory for the rest of the game (the Soviets still don’t get their national objective relating to Finland).

@all-encompassing-goose

Italy and Axis Japan are dead. Berlin is going to be taken on the next US turn. Leningrad is under siege and Stalingrad will fall to the British. Stalin will sue for peace after that.

I am adding the victory conditions for the Allies: Two minor Axis (Italy and Axis Japan) capitals have to be taken, and one major Axis (Germany and the Soviet Union) have to be held for one turn (they don’t have to be the same capitals).

This shall be added to the main rules.

@all-encompassing-goose

The Axis (and Allies) made some major mistakes, so I think the Axis could have definitely won-China was a major factor in being a black hole for Soviet resources, and Axis Japan lost their capital the first time in the second or third round, a major loss in the Pacific, and the fact that when Shanghai was captured, the minor industrial complex would be destroyed. Even if Axis Japan got Shanghai back, that’s several turns of saving up before anything new comes out.

In regards to your house rules, I don’t think there should be an industrial complex in Portugal, in keeping with the rules of not allowing industrial complexes on 1 IPC territories. I especially like your IPC bribe of Spain. I just think 70 IPCs is far too big of a bribe-it still shouldn’t be too easy though, so to be more historical it should be 50 IPCs at most. Perhaps American and Soviet IPCs will only count half as much when it is still neutral. How would you track it though? Thank you! I also think that the starting amounts of infantry should be the same, and that they when they join either side, it should simply be that they are a pro Allies or pro Axis neutral, instead of being their own powers. Finally, only powers in Europe (not China or either Japan) should be allowed to give IPCs to Spain.

I think that if Spain joins the Allies, a dice should be rolled. A 1-3 Portugal joins the Axis, 4-5 Portugal stays neutral, whilst 6 has Portugal joins the Allies. This represents Portugal’s long alliance with the UK.

@all-encompassing-goose

As noted, I just don’t think Spain and Portugal should be their own powers-their colonies should be on the same side as their home countries though. South American counties shouldn’t join the Iberian countries-I doubt that they would have liked to be recolonised. As the territories of Mexico and Central America show (and Brazil in other versions) Latin America would have turned to the US for protection. Again, Spain and Portugal shouldn’t be seperate powers, and they should simply tirn into pro Axis or pro Allied territories. Rio De Oro should be part of Spain as well.

A military presence for Spain should be part of the IPC bribe, simply the IPC value of the units. They can be placed anywhere, including each country’s colonies.

@all-encompassing-goose

Nope! My house rules are intended to be as historically accurate as possible, and even with the house rules mentioned here, I tried to make the side switched plausible, and the rules realistic-of course, sometimes I just like to mess with the rules, like these rules:

Crazy Axis And Allies side switch.pdf

Also, welcome to the forum!

@superbattleshipyamato

Surprise, surprise! Berlin is saved-not like it matters, as the US can simply go at it again next turn. The Axis have long lost the attrition war by now. I thought it would be good to share an order of battle and losses:

US forces (on the attack): 6 infantry, 7 tanks, 1 strategic bomber (with the heavy bomber research and development addition)

German forces (on the defence): 18 infantry

Total losses:

Germany: 13 infantry or 39 IPC loss-5 infantry, or 15 IPCs left.

US: 6 infantry, 7 tanks, 1 strategic bomber or 72 IPC loss-no units survive.

Or course, the IPC loss ratio advantage that Germany has doesn’t matter when the US has 3 times the amount of IPCs
Germany has and the combined Allies have at least double the Axis (maybe more or less, I haven’t counted it exactly).

@all-encompassing-goose

They don’t stand a chance-but if you saw my victory conditions, Berlin has to be taken. I should have used a battle calculator-I used it to calculate an attack on Berlin, but I think units slated to attack were diverted for operations in Soviet Union-such as the use of two strategic bombers to attack Soviet infantry in Leningrad, so France could capture it. Also, I always play against myself, as I don’t have anyone to play with most of the time.

@all-encompassing-goose

I used a battle calculator-I really should have checked:

@all-encompassing-goose

Exactly. It might even be a good thing, as it allows the Allies to capture more Soviet territory, which might have an impact post war.

@all-encompassing-goose

One American, one British, and one French assault against Berlin, all failed. After that 5 German infantry failed to destroy two American strategic bombers and one ANZAC strategic bomber. Only the ANZAC unit was lost, for the loss of five German infantry. An American assault after the battle finally succeeded in capturing Berlin, allowing the Allies to focus in the Soviet Union, a still potent force, with the Allies still unable to capture Leningrad and push the Soviets out of the Middle East. The Allies have great success in the important south, capturing Stalingrad, and cutting off the Soviet Union’s Middle Eastern holdings. Soviet industrial complexes are a problem in the new Middle Eastern Campaign, however, and India is still under Soviet control. With the fall of Berlin, Stalin, with his declining health, realises that a peace treaty must be signed as soon as possible to help the Soviets keep as much land as possible?