Global 1943 Expansion, Revised

@FranceNeedsMorePower

That’s a better idea, especially since Japan is usually somewhat stretched to the limits on their declaration of war on the US.

@the-duke

You just load em up onto your Soviet Black Sea Navy. The one with the Battleship.

@Trout

True - a Dessert Army is a regular PG / TG and land combat 3 units.

@nolimit said in defending Sub question:

@commander-jeff 2, they retreat to One sz Area wherever any of the Transports came from- also the Units stay on the Transports!

To elaborate on this, the transports may retreat to a sea zone from which any of the original attacking sea units entered, so if the destroyer and/or sub actually entered from a different direction than the transports, that sea zone would also be valid for the retreat.

Also, if none of the sea zones from which any of the attacking units entered were friendly (they all started in enemy-occupied zones) or all of the attacking units were already in the contested sea zone to start with, no retreat would be possible and the transports would be automatically destroyed. Of course, in the latter case the attacking units could combat move out of the sea zone and then back in in order to establish a retreat route, assuming there were an adjacent friendly sea zone.

@barnee

From my previous setup, the following changed highlighted are (DELETED NEW)

Victory Conditions:
Axis: Control 8 European Victory Cities or Control 6 Pacific Victory Cities, either one for a Complete Round of Play following the capture of the last necessary Victory City
Allies: Control 4 of [Berlin, Tokyo, Rome, Paris, Shanghai, Warsaw, Hong Kong, and Manila] for a Complete Round of Play following the capture of the last necessary Victory City

-SOVIET UNION (30 IPCs)
Russia: Major Industrial Complex, Air Base, 4 Infantry, 1 Mechanised Infantry, 2 Artillery, 2 Tanks, 2 AAA, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Novgorod: Minor Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 AAA, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Volgograd: Minor Industrial Complex, 4 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Karelia: 2 Infantry
Archangel: 2 Infantry, 1 Tank
Vologda: 1 Infantry
Tambov: 1 Infantry
Caucasus: 2 Infantry
Urals: 1 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Tanks, 1 Tactical Bomber
Novosibirsk: 4 Infantry
Samara: 2 Infantry
Kazakhstan: 2 Infantry
Evenkiyskiy: 2 Infantry
Timguska: 1 Infantry
Yenisey: 2 Infantry
Yakut S.S.R.: 1 Infantry
Buryatia: 3 Infantry
Sakha: 2 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 2 AAA
Amur: 3 Infantry
Siberia: 3 Infantry
Soviet Far East: 1 Infantry
Iraq: Control Marker, 1 Mechanized Infantry
Northwest Persia: Control Marker
Persia: Control Marker, 1 Tank
Eastern Persia: Control Marker
Sea Zone 5: 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 115: 1 Submarine, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 127: 1 Destroyer

-EMPIRE OF JAPAN (45 IPCs)
Japan: Major Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 6 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Tank, 4 AAA, 1 Fighter, 2 Tactical Bombers, 2 Strategic Bombers
Siam: 4 Infantry
Korea: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Okinawa: 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Formosa: 1 Fighter
Paulau Island: 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Strategic Bombers
Iwo Jima: 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Tactical Bomber
Caroline Islands: Air Base, Naval Base, 2 Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Fighter
Kiangsu: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 4 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Philippines: Control Marker, Air Base, Naval Base, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter
Kwangtung: Control Marker, Naval Base, 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Malaya: Control Marker, Naval Base, 1 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 AAA, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Shan State: Control Marker, 1 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 AAA
Kwangsi: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
French Indo China: Control Marker, 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Tank
Sumatra: Control Marker, 2 Infantry
Java: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Celebes: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Jehol: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Shantung: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Kiangsi: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Borneo: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Manchuria: Control Marker, 4 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Guam: Control Marker, Air Base
Dutch New Guinea: Control Marker
New Britain: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
New Guinea: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Wake Island: Control Marker, Air Base
Gilbert Islands: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Sea Zone 6: 1 Transport, 1 Submarine, 1 Cruiser, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter and 1 Tactical Bomber), 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 17: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 19: 2 Submarines
Sea Zone 20: 1 Transport, 2 Destroyers
Sea Zone 31: 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 33: 2 Submarines, 1 Destroyer, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter and 1 Tactical Bomber)
Sea Zone 35: 1 Cruiser, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter), 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 37: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 42: 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter and 1 Tactical Bomber)

-UNITED STATES (52 IPCs)
Eastern United States: Major Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 AAA, 1 Tactical Bomber
Western United States: Major Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 4 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Tank, 2 AAA, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber, 1 Strategic Bomber
Central United States: Major Industrial Complex, 2 Infantry, 4 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Tank
Hawaiian Islands: Air Base, Naval Base, 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 AAA, 2 Fighters
Midway: Air Base, 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Alaska: 2 Infantry
Iceland: 1 Fighter
Solomon Islands: 1 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Brazil: Control Marker
Eire: Control Marker, 1 Strategic Bomber
Sea Zone 10: 2 Transports, 1 Destroyer, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter), 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 25: 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter and 1 Tactical Bomber), 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 26: 1 Transport, 1 Submarine, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 29: 2 Submarines, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter and 1 Tactical Bomber)
Sea Zone 49: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 64: 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 101: 2 Transports, 1 Battleship

-CHINA (12 IPCs)
Suiyuyan: 3 Infantry
Shensi: 1 Infantry
Szechwan: 1 Infantry
Hopei: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter
Kweichow: 3 Infantry
Hunan: 3 Infantry
Yunnan: 6 Infantry

-GERMAN REICH (51 IPCs)
Germany: Major Industrial Complex, 6 Infantry, 4 Artillery, 3 AAA, 1 Fighter, 2 Strategic Bombers
Poland: 2 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Tactical Bomber
Holland Belgium: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Norway: 3 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Denmark: 1 Infantry, 1 Tank
Western Germany: Major Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 4 Tanks, 3 AAA, 2 Fighters, 3 Tactical Bombers
Greater Southern Germany: 4 Infantry
Slovakia Hungary: 2 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Tanks
Romania: 2 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter
Alexandria: 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Tank
France: Control Marker, Minor Industrial Complex, Air Base, 1 Infantry, 2 Mechanized Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Tactical Bomber
Morocco: Control Marker, 3 Infantry
Normandy Bordeaux: Control Marker, Minor Industrial Complex, Naval Base, 2 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter
Finland: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Vyborg: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Baltic States: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter
Eastern Poland: Control Marker, 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Bessarabia: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Bulgaria: Control Marker, 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Crete: Control Marker, 1 Tactical Bomber
Belarus: Control Marker, 4 Infantry
Western Ukraine: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Ukraine: Control Marker, Minor Industrial Complex, 4 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 AAA
Smolensk: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Tactical Bomber
Bryansk: Control Marker, 2 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Rostov: Control Marker, 3 Infantry
Sea Zone 99: 1 Transport
Sea Zone 103: 2 Submarines
Sea Zone 105: 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 113: 1 Submarine, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 118: 2 Submarines
Sea Zone 124: 2 Submarines

-UNITED KINGDOM (29 IPCs for Europe, 13 IPCs for Pacific)
United Kingdom: Major Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 3 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 4 AAA, 3 Fighters, 1 Strategic Bomber
Egypt: Naval Base, 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Quebec: Minor Industrial Complex, 1 Infantry, 1 Tank
New Brunswick Nova Scotia: Naval Base
Iceland: Air Base
Scotland: Air Base, 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Fighter
Gibraltar: Naval Base, 1 Tactical Bomber
Malta: 1 Infantry, 1 AAA, 1 Fighter
Trans-Jordan: 2 Infantry
Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 Infantry
Union of South Africa: Minor Industrial Complex, Naval Base, 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry
British Columbia/Western Canada: 1 Infantry
Suriname: Control Marker
Ethiopia: Control Marker
Italian Somaliland: Control Marker
Sea Zone 71: 1 Transport
Sea Zone 92: 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 97: 1 Cruiser, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Tactical Bomber)
Sea Zone 98: 1 Transport, 1 Submarine, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 106: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 109: 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 110: 1 Transport, 1 Cruiser, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter)
Sea Zone 111: 1 Transport, 1 Submarine, 1 Destroyer, 1 Battleship
India: Major Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 6 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 4 AAA, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Kwangtung: Naval Base, 2 Infantry
Malaya: Naval Base, 3 Infantry
West India: 1 Infantry
Burma: 2 Infantry, 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Shan State: 2 Infantry
Sumatra: Control Marker
Celebes: Control Marker
Sea Zone 38: 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 39: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter)
Sea Zone 44: 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 45: 1 Cruiser

-EMPIRE OF ITALY (18 IPCs)
Southern Italy: Minor Industrial Complex, Air Base, Naval Base, 6 Infantry, 2 AAA, 2 Fighters
Northern Italy: Major Industrial Complex, 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Tanks, 2 AAA, 1 Strategic Bomber
Sardinia: 1 Infantry
Sicily: 1 Infantry
Libya: 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Tank
Albania: 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Tank
Tobruk: 3 Infantry
Western Ukraine: 1 Infantry
Rostov: 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Southern France: Control Marker, Minor Industrial Complex, Naval Base, 2 Infantry
Algeria: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Tunisia: Control Marker, 1 Infantry
Yugoslavia: Control Marker, 2 Infantry
Greece: Control Marker, 2 Infantry
Alexandria: Control Marker, 1 Infantry, 1 Tactical Bomber
Sea Zone 87: 2 Submarines
Sea Zone 93: 1 Transport, 1 Submarines, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 94: 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 95: 1 Transport, 2 Cruisers, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 96: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer

-ANZAC (10 IPCs)
New South Wales: Minor Industrial Complex, Naval Base, 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 AAA
Western Australia: 2 Infantry
Queensland: Air Base, Naval Base, 2 Infantry
New Zealand: Air Base, Naval Base, 1 Infantry, 2 Fighters
Egypt: 2 Infantry
Malaya: 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Burma: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Sumatra: 2 Infantry
Celebes: 2 Infantry
Sea Zone 54: 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 62: 1 Transport, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 63: 1 Submarine, 1 Aircraft Carrier (Carrying 1 Fighter)

-FRENCH REPUBLIC (0 IPCs, Capital Under Occupation)
French West Africa: 1 Infantry
French Central Africa: 1 Infantry
French Equatorial Africa: 1 Infantry
Syria: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
United Kingdom: 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
Sea Zone 72: 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 98: 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 109: 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 110: 1 Destroyer

Hi Manstein,

Cool stuff. Thanks for sharing:+1:

Hi Erocco,
these numbers are based on a formula found during Classic time by Dauvio Vann and his friends, then improved and adjusted to better fit the need of Second Edition units. Here is one link in House Rule:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=40346.msg1684954#msg1684954

Below, you get the whole formula and a short explanation:

@Baron:

@Dauvio:

It came to my attention that one of my formulas are already out there that I discovered 30 years ago.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=185969 has also discovered the formula P^2*N=S
And just for fun you can try these formulas also. S/P^2=N. √(S/N)=P
P=POINTS
N=NUMBER OF UNITS
S=STRENGTH OF ONE KIND OF UNITS IN A TERRITORY
This formula should replace the punch formula. It is much better then the punch formula.

Now the next formula is (P100)/(C^26)=S
P=POINTS
C=COST
S=STRENGTH OF THE UNIT BASED ON COST
With this formula you can also price units according to their strength. √((P100)/(S6))=C
This formula is for points. (S*(C^2*6))/100=P

For better results for some of these formulas, have all your units cost ten times then what they are. These are some of the VANN FORMULAS I came up 30 years ago.

If you have any questions about these formulas, please ask.

I found how you can get the main part of Vann formula or Baron-Larrymarx according to a specific unit as benchmark.

I took the Fighter A3 D4 C10 and I wanted to convert into Tank A3 D3 C6 as benchmark (Baron-Larrymarx formula).

Then I saw what I did.

Power (of attacking Fighter): A3 * C6 (cost of Tank)/C10 (cost of Fg) * 1 Hit Point C6 (cost of Tank)/C10 (cost of Fg) = 1.08
You can reduce this equation because (cost of Tank)(cost of Tank)/ (cost of Fg)*(cost of Fg) is same to
(cost of Tank) IPCs^2 / (cost of Fg) IPCs^2 and give a simple ratio.

C6^2*A3/C10^2 = 1.08
36 squared IPCs 3 Power * 1 Hit /100 squared IPCs = 1.08 PowerHit Point

This explained what is hidden in Baron-Larrymarx formula:
Offence or defence strength factor= 36*Power/Cost^2.

The whole Enigma formula is
Refence unit Cost^2Power of the actual unit1 HP/Cost of the actual unit^2

So, the Basic offence or defence strength factor result (1.08, in this case) is express in Power*Hit Point
1^2*Power (of a given unit)*1 hit/Cost (of this same given unit)^2

And this formula can be adapt according to any benchmark, for instance a 1 IPC unit:
131 hit/10^2 = 0.300

And this is a very small number. That’s why Vann formula:
Strength= (Power100)/(Cost^26)

add an arbitrary 1001/6= 16.667…
So, 16.667131 hit/10^2 = 0.5
And this would provide the Fighter strength attack factor based on an hypothetical benchmark unit of √16.667 = 4.0825 IPCs.
A 5 IPCs revised Tank in Vann formula gives a Strength : 16.66731 hit/5^2 = 2.00 powerhit

Can you elaborate on the ship calculations?

Destroyer strength: .30144/8^2  = 0.675
Cruiser    strength: .60144/12^2= 0.600
Battleship strength: .701442.618/20^2 = 0.660

These numbers means that Destroyer is the most optimized unit for combat to buy for each IPC invested, then it is battleship and finally Cruiser.
Said otherwise, Cruiser is sub-optimal for the cost.
3 DDs C8 A3 D3 (A9 D9, 3 hits) will be stronger than 2 Cruisers C12 A6 D6 (A12 D12, 2 hits) if you can use a Battlecalc to test D10-sided values.

From stronger to weaker for 120 IPCs basis:
15 DDs A3 D3 (A45 D45)
6 BBs A7 D7 (A42 D42)
10 CAs A6 D6 (A60 D60)

@knp, 3D6 heavies have never been popular. Back in the early nineties we played off and on with them. It’s one of those things where if you have them, you love them if you don’t, well life is hell. I like the 2D6 and seems like most players can live with them especially on the Global scale and sheer number of units on the board.

Personally I liked it better when SBR came out of the player’s bank. People really hate that one and democracy usually rules most of the time when you have a regular group. I understand why people hated that one, however I liked it. It’s one of the things I like about disrupting convoys.

Honestly I love HBG, you can now add a lot of stuff to the game especially when it comes to tech. SPA and TDs are a must.

Anyway your thoughts on mech blitzing and both dice counting for heavies was spot on.