• @hbg-gw-enthusiast So, in reading this, to me it sounds like Abyssinia would stay controlled by Free France until Free France and Abyssinia are at war with the same major power.

    If France/Free France weren’t/aren’t at war with Italy, but Italy is at war with Abyssinia, I don’t see how Abyssinia can just automatically become Free French. That would either force an end to the Abyssinian conflict, or force Italy to have to go to war with Free France. Neither of those seem fair or correct as it pertains to Italy.

    That would make it impossible for Italy to stay neutral in any game. They start the game at war with Abyssinia already. So any time France surrenders and Free France is creating, that means Abyssinia automatically aligns with Free France, and thus Free France is automatically at war with Italy.

    That just doesn’t sound right to me, but I could certainly be wrong.


  • @chris_henry said in What if Abyssinia Survives?:

    Abyssinia has accouple alignment conditions.

    • First: in 13.2 Italian Campaign in Abyssinia it states that if Aby. wins, its aligns to France as soon as its at war with a Major Power. It also states that if Italy and France are at war Aby Aligns.
    • Second: In 14.4.2 Vichy France Creation it states that all French Aligned Minor powers, align to Free France.
    • Third: On the Vichy France Reference Sheet it states "All French Controlled/Aligned Minor Powers (e.g.* Abyssinia) become Aligned to Free French.

    The Second and Third sources are a bit contradictory. This is probably the source of everyone’s confusion and probably should be FAQ’d. Im going to add it to the FAQ thread.


  • @insanehoshi Oh wow, thanks for that. I think that was my source of confusion for sure!


  • @chris_henry yea I believe my group would play it that Abyssinia transfers control from France to Free France but does not align until the war is over.


  • @hbg-gw-enthusiast
    @Chris_Henry
    @insaneHoshi
    @bretters

    Errata:
    “Vichy Reference Sheet:
    French Controlled & Aligned Minor Powers:
    Remove “Controlled” from this sentence:
    “All French Controlled/Aligned Minor Powers””

    If the war is not over, Abyssinia does not align.


  • @trig exactly


  • It’s now clear that Abyssinia must win (capture Eritrea) to guarantee it becomes Free French when France surrenders. If I understand correctly, if Abyssinia is still battling Italy when France surrenders, the war goes on. I would assume control of Abyssinia transfers to Free France when France surrenders.


  • @hbg-gw-enthusiast Not quite.

    Italy and Free France would have to go to war with each other in order for Abyssinia to become aligned with Free France instead of just controlled. If Italy and Free France don’t go to war, Abyssinia would continue to only be controlled, not aligned.

    Likewise, Abyssinia does not need to win the war to become Free French. They simply need Free France and Abyssinia to be at war with the same major power.


  • @chris_henry said in What if Abyssinia Survives?:

    @hbg-gw-enthusiast Not quite.

    Italy and Free France would have to go to war with each other in order for Abyssinia to become aligned with Free France instead of just controlled. If Italy and Free France don’t go to war, Abyssinia would continue to only be controlled, not aligned.

    Likewise, Abyssinia does not need to win the war to become Free French. They simply need Free France and Abyssinia to be at war with the same major power.

    Good point about guaranteeing it becomes Free French. I neglected to add “when France surrenders.” I’ll edit my post above!

    Just for clarity, by “control of Abyssinia transfers to Free France,” I mean that Free France controls Abyssinia. Control does not equal alignment. Abyssinia remains a controlled minor power, but it is now controlled by Free France (whereas before it was controlled by France). Make sense?


  • @hbg-gw-enthusiast Yup! I apparently decided to not take the word “control” in that sentence in the GW36 game sense of the word that time for whatever reason :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

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