L21 PtV FlyingBadger (AL) vs AetV (AX+8)

@aequitas-et-veritas said in L21 PtV FlyingBadger (AL) vs AetV (AX+8):

Scramble the Baltic States with three available Ftr’s?

No thanks.

@aequitas-et-veritas said in L21 PtV FlyingBadger (AL) vs AetV (AX+8):

@flyingbadger said in L21 PtV FlyingBadger (AL) vs AetV (AX+8):

@aequitas-et-veritas

I’ve probably played about 6 or so games of PtV as the Allies, most German openings have been taking Normandy and Paris whilst attacking chunks of the Royal Navy. Triggering Vichy seems the right thing to do also. Your purchase of the major IC was interesting and would like to see the long term affect of Germany being able continually drop a lot of units close to both Russia and the Middle East.

That purchase does free up the British to buy offensively on UK1. My initial reaction was that it would allow Germany to aggresively push through Ukraine and into the Middle East and get around Moscow or towards India depending on strategy, dice, etc… but at the expense of giving Russia or the UK opportunities elsewhere on early turns.

I liked the mix of units purchase G2 and G3. You’re not badly poised with Germany for the assault on Russia, especially in the south, and the only Allied shipping is on the other side of the Atlantic. Italy is controlling most of the Med as well so that’s one less thing for Germany to have to worry about at the moment (I have been much more aggresive towards Italy in more recent games as the PtV objectives can let Italy become a difficult problem for the Allies if not given enough attention).

Russia does have a bit more of a sting in PtV, in another game I have captured Finland with nothing in Norway to stop me and have nearly 60 IPCs of income on turn 3!

I’ve attached the save file from the best German play I’ve experienced so far, Adam514 is kicking my butt in this game (I have just offered him a draw if he asks nicely :wink: ).
triplea_37205_8jap.tsvg

I’m not the most experienced player but those are my thoughts for what they are worth. If you have specific questions I’m happy to try and answer them. I will be asking you for feedback once the game is settled.

It was very interresting to read your thoughts and opinions about our game and PtV in general. For my self, i have nearly the same thoughts as you.

If one side does bad, you still have the other side of the whole theatre.
What really frustrated me was the fact that PtV has a much greater impact than BM3/4 on this matter I think. While you now have more options with Japan, the time window for Germany is closeing in faster.

Maybe that would be the propper solution to play PtV without a bid at all by simply extend the supplyline EUS vs Gibraltar by one additional SZ.
But this needs to be discussed elsewhere and should not come now from me since I play Axis and would wish for some sort of inner relief :blush:

At least I also know that I am doing not sooo bad, wich is something.

You’re doing fine, I’ve only played 8 games of PtV about 7 of those as Allies and most opponements have struggled with Germany even though they are experienced in other versions of the game.

I’m new to G40, BM and PtV so I’m learning each at the same time, but I maybe players who are used to G40 and BM are having a hard time unlearning that Russia is easy to take. They have a bigger income and the map is harder for a quick strike towards Moscow, perhaps the most improtant change is the loss of Russian factories on capture. These all mean the Germany can quickly lose momentum against Russia, however if it’s other fronts hold then they will grind down Russia eventually. I experience this in G40, BM and PtV because I’m learning how to optimally play Germany all all forms of the game. Maybe you are just not matching your own expections, but maybe the expectations need to be recalibrated for now!

I like your idea of making the mid-Atlantic bigger, and could balance well with Russia’s ability to stand for longer. I would find it nice if the Allies were forced to convoy via Iceland as I’m always interested in doing things the historic way (but only if it makes competitive sense).

@aequitas-et-veritas You got me thinking…

If the Allies were doscouraged from being able to easily shuttle across to N.Africa then it might make it worth them going via Iceland, a harbour there would allow going into the Channel, or even attack Denmark. Could go down (Caribbean or Brazil) to come up to N.Africa or maybe France, depending on the sea zones connections. I’m sure there would be lots of unintended consequences, but it is an interesting idea.

@aequitas-et-veritas LOL, forgot to mention the important bit, which is altering the sea zones off Nova Scotia so it connects to E.US so units built there could go straight to Iceland.

@aequitas-et-veritas Hang on, the last post was gibberish, I seem to be struggling counting to either 2 or 3 :drooling_face: The north Atlantic is already well set up for a 2 step Iceland shuttle, it’s the ease of going across to the safety of Gibraltar / Morocco in 1 move that makes it the go to route.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 11 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Southern Belarus
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Southern Belarus
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Leningrad to Southern Belarus

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Southern Belarus
            Russians attack with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern Belarus
            Russians win, taking Southern Belarus from Germans with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Belarus to Russia
        2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda
        1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Finland
        2 infantry moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
        6 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 14 infantry moved from Kursk to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Northern Caucasus to Southern Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus
        2 infantry moved from Tambov to Stalingrad
        3 infantry moved from Timguska to Urals
        2 aaGuns and 9 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
        3 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        1 armour, 3 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Stalingrad
        3 infantry placed in Urals
        1 infantry placed in Leningrad

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 48 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 50 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 52 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 55 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : 0.17

Savegame

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
        1 infantry moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 22 Sea Zone to Guam
        1 destroyer and 3 fighters moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
        1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tunisia
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Morocco to Algeria
        2 infantry moved from Brazil to French Guiana
              Americans take French Guiana from Neutral_Axis

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

@aequitas-et-veritas Scramble to SZ113?

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
        1 infantry moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 22 Sea Zone to Guam
        1 destroyer and 3 fighters moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone
        1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tunisia
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Morocco to Algeria
        2 infantry moved from Brazil to French Guiana
              Americans take French Guiana from Neutral_Axis

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Guam
        Battle in 113 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone
            Americans win, taking Guam from Japanese with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            Americans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Algeria
            Americans attack with 2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
            Italians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Americans roll dice for 2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Algeria, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Algeria
            Americans win, taking Algeria from Italians with 2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Tunisia

    Non Combat Move - Americans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Italians regular : -0.67
Germans regular : -0.33

Savegame

@aequitas-et-veritas Darn, missed attacking the Japanese destroyer in SZ56. I parked the planes in Dutch New Guinea (guess I missed the sea with the mouse :dizzy_face: ) and forgot to move the sub, not sure why. Is it okay if we do that battle (1xSub 1xFighter 1xTactical vs 1xDestroyer) in the forum please? We can use dicebot. If you don’t want to allow that battle then would it be okay for me to undo the plane move please (as I’ll need to retreat them away with the fleet from your super base on Borneo)?

@aequitas-et-veritas said in L21 PtV FlyingBadger (AL) vs AetV (AX+8):

@flyingbadger No, it is totally ok with me if you roll it here on the forum.
I saw your planes and wondered.

Thanks.
Rolling for the sub, the fighter and the tactical…
[dice 1d6<=2 1d6<=3 1d6<=4]

1d6<=2: 1; Hits: 1
1d6<=3: 1; Hits: 1
1d6<=4: 6; Hits: 0

@dicebot said in L21 PtV FlyingBadger (AL) vs AetV (AX+8):

1d6<=2: 1; Hits: 1
1d6<=3: 1; Hits: 1
1d6<=4: 6; Hits: 0

2 hits (sub and fighter)
Rolling for the destroyer…
[dice 1d6<=2]

1d6<=2: 4; Hits: 0

@dicebot said in L21 PtV FlyingBadger (AL) vs AetV (AX+8):

1d6<=2: 4; Hits: 0

I get the result as US wins with no casualties and the Japanese lose the destroyer, but let me know if this isn’t okay.