L21 #1 max334 (X+5) vs trulpen (A) P2V

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TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
        Chinese buy 1 artillery and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Guerilla Honan: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Honan
        Trigger Chinese Guerilla Shansi: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Shansi
        Trigger Chinese Guerilla Tsinghai: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

    Combat - Chinese
        Chinese creates battle in territory Tsinghai
        Chinese creates battle in territory Shansi
        Chinese creates battle in territory Honan

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        3 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shansi
        1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        2 artilleries moved from Hopei to Anhwe
        3 infantry moved from Hopei to Anhwe
        1 artillery moved from Hopei to Kiangsi
        1 artillery moved from Hopei to Hunan
        2 infantry moved from Hopei to Kiangsi
        3 infantry moved from Hopei to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Tsinghai
        1 artillery moved from Hopei to Tsinghai
        1 artillery moved from Hopei to Tsinghai
        1 fighter moved from Hopei to Anhwe

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 artillery placed in Shansi
        2 infantry placed in Tsinghai
        1 infantry placed in Shansi
        1 infantry placed in Honan
        Chinese undo move 4.
        1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 7

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 7

    Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 94 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Northwest Persia to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 83 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 83 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
        2 destroyers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Syria to 94 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 39 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Eastern India to 40 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 40 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to Sumatra

    Combat - British
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in Greece
            British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 artillery
                British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Greece, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Greece
            British win, taking Sumatra from Japanese, taking Greece from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Italians defend with 1 battleship and 2 cruisers
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 4,33 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0,67
British regular : -2,33

Savegame

trulpen

Casualties in z94? 3 hits (instead of 4,5).

Damage the bs is evident, but must be noted that if the carrier is damaged UK may retreat and the air will not be able to land.

trulpen

Of course, UK may always retreat, but say Axis choose to dmg bs, dmg ac and sink 1 cr, then no matter the outcome of the defense a sneaky move could be (not saying it will be) to retreat.

In that case the air will die and G and I has 1tr, 1 des, 1 cr, 1 dmg ac, 1 dmg bs in z94. That’s a TUV of 59, but with no repair possibility. The fleet has 4 hp and 10 p.

The fleet has a move of 2 and may reach z95. On a note I had intended to move 1 des from z99 to z95 now during CM, in case there was a scramble. However, a scramble to z99 looks like complete suicide, so assumed none would be made. Will move the des during NCM.

If you instead keep the ac functional, advisable is to instead sink the 2 cr. Since there’s only 1 sub in the battle it might not be cruical to keep the des, but it’s always extremely annoying if that first-strike comes true.

Anyway, lets look at that option anyway. Then G and I would instead have 1 tr, 1 des, 1 dmg bs, 1 ac, 1 fig, 1 tac in z94. That’s a TUV of 68 and with 6 hp and 14 p.

To me it looks like you want to keep the ac undamaged, but it’s your call. I won’t make any assumption since it’s not evident and we don’t know the result of the defense.

max334

damn… you are not a very good dice roller. When you took Egypt I thought maybe you had some sort of arrangement with the dice server, but as the game has progressed, I see that that may not be the case.
So, this is an interesting conundrum. Knowing that you are a darn Swede, I know that you are as sneaky as they come. Its like in your DNA. So what to do what to do… if I had only kept my sub back…

trulpen

@max334 said in L21 #1 max334 (X+5) vs trulpen (A) P2V:

damn… you are not a very good dice roller. When you took Egypt I thought maybe you had some sort of arrangement with the dice server, but as the game has progressed, I see that that may not be the case.
So, this is an interesting conundrum. Knowing that you are a darn Swede, I know that you are as sneaky as they come. Its like in your DNA. So what to do what to do… if I had only kept my sub back…

Actually, the russian efforts in the early rounds showed some serious deficit with the dice.

The situation is pretty interesting. Gave as much advice as possible above, but not certain there is an objectively best choice. It’s a lot about chance, of course.

Yes, the sub would’ve helped a bit in the defense there.

max334

German High Command has made a decision: damage BB and take a CR and the DD

trulpen

@max334 said in L21 #1 max334 (X+5) vs trulpen (A) P2V:

German High Command has made a decision: damage BB and take a CR and the DD

Jawohl, mein Führer! Wir sollen dass machen!

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 7

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 7

    Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 94 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Northwest Persia to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 83 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 83 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
        2 destroyers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Syria to 94 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 39 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Eastern India to 40 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 40 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to Sumatra

    Combat - British
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in Greece
            British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 artillery
                British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Greece, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Greece
            British win, taking Sumatra from Japanese, taking Greece from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Italians defend with 1 battleship and 2 cruisers
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 4,33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans, 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 94 Sea Zone
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0,67
Germans regular : -0,33
British regular : -1,67

Savegame

trulpen

The Brits press on.

Sub hit and here I think I can safely assume that the hit will go on the carrier.

trulpen

But since you are available, I’ll await your decision.

trulpen

Looks like you got busy. Because of the situation I’ll move on. Don’t think there’s any other choice really than to nick the ac, since UK has a lot of good dice left here.

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 7

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 7

    Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 94 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Northwest Persia to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 83 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 83 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
        2 destroyers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Syria to 94 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 39 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Eastern India to 40 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 40 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to Sumatra

    Combat - British
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in Greece
            British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 artillery
                British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Greece, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Greece
            British win, taking Sumatra from Japanese, taking Greece from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Italians defend with 1 battleship and 2 cruisers
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 4,33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans, 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 94 Sea Zone
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Germans
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/8 hits, 4,00 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0,67
Germans regular : -0,33
British regular : -3,67

Savegame

max334

yes, damage the carrier

trulpen

Insane. Another >4 that only got 3 hits.

2 hits left to decide.

Remember there will be a des in z95.

Italy can open it up and G may boost the fleet with some builds in z95, but nothing looks really sufficient for the next round.

The fleet looks doomed, so UK may very well just retreat. Depending on the defensive roll.

trulpen

I would kill off the air and keep the ships, because of the retreat option, but you decide.

max334

I’m having a hard time visualizing the situation

trulpen

@max334 said in L21 #1 max334 (X+5) vs trulpen (A) P2V:

I’m having a hard time visualizing the situation

I can post a pic.

trulpen

@trulpen

max334

can you send me the file…sorry, I’m a little slow

L21 #1 max334 (X+5) vs trulpen (A) P2V

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 7

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 7

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 7

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 7

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