Global 1940 and 1943 Expansion for use with TripleA

@Panther I forgot to say thank you! Thank you and Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah!

I rolled 9/10 AA gun defence hits against a 2004(?) Europe Sealion by hand once.  And I’ve seen plently more on this scale just as crazy  (22 planes at 3 hit nothing)

Have I played hundreds of games of Axis and Allies?  Yes.  But not thousands.  These things do happen.

That said - I do want to know more about MARTI and it’s code…

@all - We are looking to release 1.8.0.9 shortly due to the naval retreat bug that was found and fixed. I’ve uploaded the pre-release equivalent of that and would appreciate some assistance testing various maps, game types, etc to make sure there aren’t any issues. Pre-release install instructions here: http://tripleadev.1671093.n2.nabble.com/AI-Development-Discussion-tp7585227.html

Here is the change log:

Bug fix, retreat from naval combat was not possible, now fixed Increase scroll speed when using arrow keys. Holding down control speeds up arrow key scroll Map edge scroll zone now larger, placing map next to the very edge of the map increases scroll speed even more AI: Fixed calculating defenses on maps with air/naval bases to properly calculate enemy range AI: Fixed bug around not defending against enemy units that were transported the previous turn (they were being marked as already transported when potential enemy attacks were calculated)

I recall Veq saying that the 1914 rules presented a number of near insurmountable problems for TripleA in its present state. Frankly reading the rulebook for that game made me want to bang my head against the wall.
:-D

It departs in significant ways from previous Axis and Allies games, and adds several elements that just have no real comparison with the earlier boards. The combat rules (single combat round attacking), the unit interactions, air supremacy, the rules for movement or occupation, the colonies, the neutrals, ports, Russian revolution, income collection, placement etc, are all so different from the WW2 games, that its hard to draw any direct parallels.

Basically, having played any of the World War II Axis and Allies games, doesn’t do you a whole lot of good in learning how to play 1914. In some ways it might even confuse the situation further, because you come into it with so many expectations, that are immediately upset at every conceivable point.

I don’t like to be a downer on 1914, since it does introduce some novel ideas into A&A, but on the whole I was kind of disappointed with this game. The only experience I can compare it to, was trying to learn Guadalcanal, which was pretty headache inducing. For me the main bummer, was that 1914 attempted all these really radical rules revisions in order simulate the world war 1 feel, but I think you could have accomplished a similar feel, just focusing more on the unit roster and the map design.

I appreciate how hard it is though to attempt WW1 in the A&A framework. The Great War game I made for tripleA with Surtur presented all sorts of frustrations. And that Great War game made no core revisions to the ruleset (since obviously that wasn’t possible in tripleA at the time.) It was tricky enough just depicting “free graphics” and things like that in TripleA, since at the time most stuff was still drawn directly on the baseline maps. But in a way, I think that was helpful, because it forced us to consider what a World War 1 game might look like, using the same essential rules that all the other Axis and Allies games used up until that point.

At that point the engine could handle Classic, Revised, and the two theater games then in print, Europe 1999 and Pacific 2001. For our Great War game we could change simple stuff, like unit attack/defense values, or how far they moved, or how much they cost, but we couldn’t just up and create an entirely new combat system for them! Because the TripleA engine didn’t work like that! heheh. We could change the way territories were drawn or distributed across the gamemap, but not how they were contested, or how placement of units within them worked. Instead we had to build within the confines of rules that already existed on other A&A gameboards. So in my mind, that Great War game, still felt a lot like Axis and Allies, even if it was ridiculously large and sprawling and kind of annoying with some of the insets and whatnot. At least you could say something like “hey, you’ve played Classic or A&A Europe? Well this game works basically the same way.” And then you go on trying to fit the square peg into the round hole, and make a WW1 game that vaguely fits with the familiar ruleset.

1914 is a totally different beast though, and took a very different approach, by introducing a whole host of new rules and mechanics. Each phase in the sequence of play involved a core change of one sort or another. And even using my most diehard A&A buddy as a test subject, trying to teach it was nearly impossible. It made the 1940 game look like a cake-walk by comparison, despite having like half the unit types and half the game tiles, and after a few sessions, he was like “dude, this is frustrating, lets just play Global.”

Not to knock it, since I like many of the discrete elements and ideas it introduces, but as a cohesive whole, 1914 just felt like a completely different game to me. I’m not sure why it has Axis and Allies in the title, beyond branding purposes.

I’m not holding my breath on this one. Even though I think it would be hugely helpful to have a tripleA version of this game, just for teaching/learning purposes. Unfortunately I just don’t see the critical mass of enthusiasm for it, from either the devs or the player base, that is usually required to get a tripleA simulation up and running. But who knows? Maybe Frogg and Blumb can get a groundswell going. It would be cool to see some of the 1914 features included in TripleA, just to expand the options with the engine, and allow more customization for mods and such.

Yes.  It would just need to be set up as a new XML so that it is selectable as a different mod.

Right, this is supposed to be the only map-change from 1st editon to 2nd edition.
TripleA 1940 Alpha 3 for example reflects the map of the first edition,
TripleA 1940 Second Edition has the change, but only technically; that means that you cannot enter Yukon in (TA) G40 second edition.

@Veqryn:

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How to install maps using the “Download Maps” feature inside TripleA (the preferred method)
http://www.tripleawarclub.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=1&post_id=941#forumpost941

Instructions:

1. Run and start up TripleA.  Then click “Download Maps…”
2. Take the following link, and copy it into the text box, then click “List Games”

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/tripleamaps/triplea_maps.xml

3. Scroll to the map you want, which is “World War II Global”, and then click “Install Game”
4. Repeat process to install any other maps you want, then restart TripleA.  Done!

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There are other helping threads in the Software section of this forum.
:-)

This is copy paste post from the TripleA main site, in case new players are not updated on how the “new” TripleA works:

Here is a list of places where you can get popular maps for TripleA (version 1.2 and later):

All you have to do is start up TripleA 1.2.X.X (Yes that means run the .exe or .sh) and click on the “Download Maps” button. A dialog box will open where you can add links to “Map Repositories” (sites that host maps.) Here’s are a few to add:
http://sites.google.com/site/tripleawarclub/tripleawarmaps.xml
http://sites.google.com/site/veqryn/documents/TripleA_Maps.xml
http://sites.google.com/site/tripleaerniebommel/home/mods/TripleA_Quality_Mods_EB.xml

Just take the second link (the long http one that ends in .xml), and copy it.  Then open up TripleA, click on Download maps, then PASTE it into the blank box there, then click “list games”.  (clicking the links to the .xml below will do nothing for you).  Here is a Slideshow showing how to do it.

Veqryn’s Website just for Hosting Maps:
http://sites.google.com/site/veqryn/documents/TripleA_Maps.xml
Maps by this link:
World War II v1
World War II v2 (3 diff startups)
World War II v3 (2 diff startups)
World War II v4 (3 diff startups, including 6 Player Free for All)
New World Order 1.7EB
Pact of Steel
270BC
Middle Earth 12 player (lord of the rings)
Twilight Imperium
Battle of Aventurica
Small Balanced (4 game variants)
Greyhawk
First Punic War
Great Lakes War
Sleeping Giant
Peninsula Campaign (civil war)
AA Enhanced Revised

TripleA Supply Depot contains many tutorials and help guides for TripleA
TripleA Supply Depot:      <– has tutorials and slideshows for beginners
http://sites.google.com/site/tripleaerniebommel/home/mods/TripleA_Quality_Mods_EB.xml
Maps:
New World Order 1.7EB
Pact of Steel
270BC
Middle Earth 12 player (lord of the rings)
World War II Classic
World War II Revised
World War II v3
World War II v4
Twilight Imperium
Battle of Aventurica
Small Balanced (2 player, 4 player, and FFA variations)
Greyhawk
Big World Variations
WW2V2 Variations
Pact of Steel Variations
a bunch of maps still under development

TripleA War Club website contains a Ladder and Tournament for playing games:
The War Club:
http://sites.google.com/site/tripleawarclub/tripleawarmaps.xml
Maps:
World War II Classic
World War II Revised
World War II v3
World War II v4
Small Balanced

The Main Website for TripleA:
http://sites.google.com/site/tripleadownloadexamples/home/triplea_games.xml
Maps by this link:
First Punic War
Great Lakes War

Roger Cooper Scenarios Website:
Maps:
There are ton of maps listed at his website

For instructions on setting up your own map repository see http://n2.nabble.com/Hosting-Maps-and-mods-tp3916686p3916686.html

I would also like to provide links to a browser accessible battle calculator, and if you are in need of strategy please check out the Forums of AxisandAllies.org.  TripleA also has a wiki site.

If you are new to War Games, I highly suggest you go and read a Rules Book for a certain popular war game that happens to be very generic in manner.  Slightly more advanced rules may be more complex, but are more rewarding too (though they may require some help).

If you have a map or a link you would like me to include, pm me and i’ll add it to the list.
Thx
Veqryn

PS: if you have made a map for tripleA 1.2.1.0 or later, it works and runs, and you would like me to host it, please pm/email me or post below.  I will upload it to my site and include it in my .xml for downloading through tripleA.
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