Converting to KJF

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going.

Yep planning on it.

You know Carl from gen con ? He basically wins the aa50 masters division

@marshmallowofwar said in Converting to KJF:

@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:

@marshmallowofwar

What he said.

Also, even if I was coming from Japan, I wouldn’t need to bring my carriers, just my fighters, and they’d fly right over that tiny destroyer :/

Awesome, now the US is blowing up Japanese planes without shielding.

Assuming you want to bring fleet, and assuming it’s in sea zone 6, the blocker wins – you can’t move and then declare war. Two blockers are needed if Japan is staging out of the Carolines. Fortunately for the US, it can see where the Japanese fleet is when it comes to move.

Marsh

You CANNOT block Japan from Hawaii. If they are not at war, they can just sail there and sit. The US also doesnt have 3 spare ships to block and build in the atlantic and expect to keep Hawaii.

@squirecam

Yeah thats my only pet peave with grasshoppers version. I don’t mind the 2 combing together so much as I do that UK pacific goes before Japan on the turn system which I really disagree with since that doesn’t make for a balanced Pacific

@marshmallowofwar

One would think that but you won’t be taking off Japanese planes with a little something they have access to called cannon fodder. When I do my pearl harbor strikes I bring in a strategic bomber, 3 fighters, 3 tac bombers, 4 destroys and 2 subs, and yes I’ve playtested these odds against the entire starting Pacific fleet of America and the US fleet always gets obliterated.

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going.

Yep planning on it.

You know Carl from gen con ? He basically wins the aa50 masters division

Yes thanks to my Japanese play. :)

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going.

Yep planning on it.

You know Carl from gen con ? He basically wins the aa50 masters division

Yes thanks to my Japanese play. :)

Ha ha ha He plays in my group. Finally get to play as group in 2 weeks !

I really enjoyed playing aa50, to me the game isn’t too small yet not too big with just the right amount of units.

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going.

Yep planning on it.

You know Carl from gen con ? He basically wins the aa50 masters division

Yes thanks to my Japanese play. :)

Ha ha ha He plays in my group. Finally get to play as group in 2 weeks !

Are you going to go?

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:

@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going.

Yep planning on it.

You know Carl from gen con ? He basically wins the aa50 masters division

Yes thanks to my Japanese play. :)

Ha ha ha He plays in my group. Finally get to play as group in 2 weeks !

Are you going to go?

No. I don’t play any of those games.

Ryan Davidson and Chris civ from gurnee Ill also play at gen con and in my group.

Did play about 5 3G40 deluxe games. Was involved with that game for a bit. Other wise I only play 39 games and now my 41 game

@gen-manstein

Can you just decide which year the game starts in?

@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein

Can you just decide which year the game starts in?

This serious question or u just funnin ?

Could try to come out with a 37 game !
Lol

@gen-manstein

Just jokin’ lol

@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:

@marshmallowofwar

One would think that but you won’t be taking off Japanese planes with a little something they have access to called cannon fodder. When I do my pearl harbor strikes I bring in a strategic bomber, 3 fighters, 3 tac bombers, 4 destroys and 2 subs, and yes I’ve playtested these odds against the entire starting Pacific fleet of America and the US fleet always gets obliterated.

Well, at the risk of being offensive, duh.

The US has to rely on blockers early until its fleet can be moved forward without such protection. In the interim, it should reinforce Hawaii as possible. If Japan wants to take Hawaii early, it’ll be forced to defend it and won’t achieve victory.

Marsh

@marshmallowofwar

Like Squire said, blockers really aren’t a factor in this with Japan’s ability to control the diplomacy between them and the Allies, so blockers aren’t going to help you as America. More often than not players will consolidate their navy on the Hawaiian islands which in turn will have it destroyed, and if they dont move it there and leave it in San Francisco than I’m doing my job keeping you out of the Pacific and away from places like Sydney and the Money Islands. Japan won’t be taking Hawaii with ground forces early in the game. There’s absolutely no reason to do such a pointless action unless you were wanting to get that 5 IPC national objective for controlling Honolulu but other than that Japan doesn’t have to dedicate forces to keeping it, they only need to keep it in their sphere of influence.

@thedesertfox Never count on your opponent doing dumb things. Be happy when they do, but assume they’ll do smart things like not stack units in kill zones. But hey, you do you!

@marshmallowofwar

I will do me, thank you very much for the concern. And like I said, for the 3rd time that there’s nothing the US can do to stop Japan from attacking their navy, dumb player or not dumb player, it’s not a dumb thing for the US to consolidate their navy on the Hawaiian Islands regardless, it doesn’t make you dumb for not seeing the attack, there are plenty of ways to hide an attack as Japan or Germany or frankly any playable country, not granted if the attack was plane as day that reads in big white font that “I’m going to attack you” then yah dumb is what the US player is. So no, this conversation with everybody here hasn’t been based on players doing dumb things for them to work, if that was the case nobody here would be wasting their time trying to explain why KJF doesn’t work. But if that’s what you think then I guess that’s what floats your boat.

There is absolutely no way that Japan before mid-to-late game can force the US to put its fleet in harm’s way. Of course, you may be referring to the paltry collection of ships in sea zone 26 that can be attacked on J1. If so, we clearly have different definitions of “fleet”.

It absolutely IS a dumb thing for the US to consolidate their fleet in sea zone 26 if sea zone 26 is a dead zone.

So, either toss dice (PM me your address and we’ll do a game. I’ll take the Allies with a 30 bid.) or keep talking to yourself.

Marsh

@marshmallowofwar

Then if denying factual evidence is your jam then I dont think there’s any point continuing this convo. You’ve been proven wrong dude, so take the new understanding you have, throw out the old understanding, and move on already instead of denying what’s already been proven factual because I to include alot of other people have told you countless times now that there is nothing America can do to prevent their navy from being destroyed whether it’s on Hawaii or San Francisco, this point has been made crystal clear from the start of this thread buddy.

As I said in my other thread, I don’t do bid games as neither of us are of the new player skill level so don’t waste your time flying out to the Pacific Coastline.