@sunkhareb said in Simon (Alliex+19) vs Sunkhareb (Axis) BM:
holy moly… shockingly bad dice lol
-3 Luftwaffe but you won all the important battles and kept the BB. Only lost inf in France. So could be worse.
L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 24
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0
Game History
Round: 24 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 2 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 3 fighters moved from Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Austria 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Austria 2 infantry moved from Tobruk to 98 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia 3 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Yugoslavia 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone Combat - ItaliansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Scramble fighter from CV in SZ 108 to defend N-B?
Scramble fighters to defend Austria?
Scramble fighters to defend Yugo? Note: Going to send 1 more (a fourth) Italian fighter from Egypt to Yugo.
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@artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:
Scramble fighter from CV in SZ 108 to defend N-B?
Scramble fighters to defend Austria?
Scramble fighters to defend Yugo? Note: Going to send 1 more (a fourth) Italian fighter from Egypt to Yugo.
4th fig to Yugo noted. No scrambles anywhere.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 25
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0
Game History
Round: 25 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans repair damage of 4x factory_major; Remaining resources: 30 PUs; Germans buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium 2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Germany to Holland Belgium 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Germany to Western Germany 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Germany to Poland Combat - Germans Battle in Western Germany Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Western Germany, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Germany, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Germany Germans win, taking Western Germany from Russians with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Holland Belgium Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 artillery Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Holland Belgium Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Russians with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery Battle in Poland Germans attack with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Poland, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 4.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Poland Germans win, taking Poland from Russians with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Germany 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Germany 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to Germany Place Units - Germans 8 infantry placed in Germany 2 infantry placed in France Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Egypt: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Germany: 1 fighter EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -1.00 Germans regular : 1.33 -
Definitely an overwhelming position in Austria, so must be correct to attack. And it was extremely successful. Must be within the <0,1 % range since G even didn’t have to sacrifice any air and even kept 12 tanks.
/////I agree; the scope of the victory was improbable.
When I play Axis, especially J has to sacrifice trannies here and there. Haven’t noticed anything suspect there in our game.
The shift of 2 inf from Berlin to Leningrad seemed logical, so I didn’t think it was a mistake. With 2 less inf R would’ve had positive odds on Leningrad and the attack would’ve come there instead, so I actually didn’t consider that to be a mistake at all, but rather a sacrifice to keep a more valuable objective.
Also, the 4 air didn’t hit anything else and help grab land around Leningrad.
Perhaps you were simply unnecessarily annoyed?/////There were better ways to defend Leningrad than to give up all future support of the Norway to Baltic Sea corridor than to sacrifice the transport. I was certainly annoyed with my oversight but with reason.
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@artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:
/////There were better ways to defend Leningrad than to give up all future support of the Norway to Baltic Sea corridor than to sacrifice the transport. I was certainly annoyed with my oversight but with reason.
Perhaps you could’ve landed more air there without compromising other positions? Didn’t look that closely.
Anyway, lets say that the tr hadn’t moved, then I likely would’ve asked you about it.
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 25
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0
Game History
Round: 25 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Norway to 115 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 3 infantry moved from Norway to 128 Sea Zone 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 128 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland 2 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece Russians take Greece from Italians 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Holland Belgium 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany 2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany Combat - RussiansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Any scrambles to Holland or WG and/or Yugo?
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No scrambles, thanks.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 25
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0
Game History
Round: 25 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Norway to 115 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 3 infantry moved from Norway to 128 Sea Zone 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 128 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland 2 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece Russians take Greece from Italians 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Holland Belgium 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany 2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany Combat - Russians Battle in Austria Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Austria Russians win, taking Austria from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Yugoslavia Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia Russians win, taking Yugoslavia from Italians with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Western Germany Russians attack with 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Germany, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 3,17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Western Germany, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Germany Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Germany, round 3 : 2/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Germany, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Germany Russians win, taking Western Germany from Germans with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Holland Belgium Russians attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium Russians win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Poland Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland Russians win, taking Poland from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 4 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Northern Belarus 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland 3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary 3 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 128 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Austria to Slovakia Hungary 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary 1 fighter moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Yunnan 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Buryatia 1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 43 Sea Zone Place Units - Russians 1 battleship and 1 carrier placed in 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Norway 3 infantry placed in Finland 3 infantry placed in Leningrad 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Slovakia Hungary 3 infantry placed in Romania 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 2 armour and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5,4,2,5,5,6,1,3,4,2,4,1,5,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4 Russians collect 70 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 70 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 73 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 75 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 30 PUs; end with 107 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : 0,67 Germans regular : 0,00 Russians regular : -3,33 -
With the US posed to take back Australia and Germany struggling to hold onto its territory, I am seriously considering worth it is worth the time and energy to continue.
Rematch? You can have the Axis, but another current opponent 666 (Jim Walsh), who thought the Axis should have +15 in PTV, now has concluded they need no bonus. If Axis are in the hands of a capable player, such as yourself, I am inclined to agree with Jim.
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It looks very dark for Axis, so resigning is not irrational. Japan has not much power left to contest the combined forces of US/Ch/UK/R, and especially the Pac is permanently lost to US/UK-domination.
Italy is relatively the strongest nation as Germany is on a quick decline. It’s just a matter of time until Russia breaks down the Berlin walls.
I don’t mind continuing though, if you prefer that.
In a new game I’d like to play Axis, but with the most recent map and rules. A bidless game is not so interesting, since I’m very sure Axis is at a disadvantage in P2V.
As a good example I’m playing my friend Pejon88 atm and I agreed upon +4 for Axis. He’s a very competent player. Despite a great opening for J, I’m in serious trouble already by round 6, with primarily G not being able to make significant progress on the eastern front.
I’d say that something between 6-12 for Axis is decent.
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I tremble but would be willing to give the Axis + 6.
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@artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:
I tremble but would be willing to give the Axis + 6.
Ok, we can try that.
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Okay, thanks. Here’s to another interesting game. Set it up when you get the chance. I need to look into updating my map. I will post are current game.
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@artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:
I need to look into updating my map.
In my experience removal of the old map needs to be done manually. The map-files are usually found in the C: user-directory and may simply be deleted. Then install the map in the client from scratch. Won’t work for some reason to update directly in the client.
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I may just keep the old map until I finish another PTV game based on the old map. I will keep a picture of new map up on my screen as a reminder of the change.
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