what opening would germany use if the bid didn’t add anything to the british at all? Do people hit multiple british navy stacks? Is there any consensus on what the best opening would be there? Or is there a lot of variation in what people think would be best? Or does nobody think about it because bids so often shore up britain?
Ghostglider (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+12) PtV
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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Norway 1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Denmark 2 fighters moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 115 Sea Zone 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Southern France 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 32 Sea Zone to Wake Island 2 infantry moved from Midway to 26 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands 1 marine moved from 33 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands 1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands Combat - Americans Battle in Denmark Battle in Norway Battle in Wake Island Battle in Marshall Islands Americans attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Marshall Islands, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Marshall Islands, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Marshall Islands Americans win, taking Denmark from Germans, taking Norway from Germans, taking Wake Island from Japanese, taking Marshall Islands from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Gilbert Islands Americans attack with 1 fighter, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 marine Americans roll dice for 1 battleship in Gilbert Islands, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber in Gilbert Islands, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 marine in Gilbert Islands, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 marine owned by the Japanese lost in Gilbert Islands Americans win, taking Gilbert Islands from Japanese with 1 fighter, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Japanese: 1 marine Battle in Southern France Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 fighters Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Southern France, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern France Americans win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5 Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 105 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 aaGun moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa 2 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to 27 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Marshall Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gilbert Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from British Guiana to Suriname 1 fighter moved from 115 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 1 factory_minor placed in Holland Belgium 3 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry placed in Central United States 2 carriers and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 128 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6 Americans collect 65 PUs; end with 65 PUs Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 85 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 90 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 infantry moved from Honan to Shansi 1 fighter moved from Honan to Shansi Combat - Chinese Battle in Shansi Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi Chinese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 12 infantry moved from Honan to Tsinghai 1 fighter moved from Shansi to Tsinghai Place Units - Chinese 4 infantry placed in Northern Manchuria Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - British 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 113 Sea Zone to Finland 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Finland 1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese Combat - British Battle in Finland British attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Finland, round 2 : 5/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Finland, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 fighter owned by the Germans and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in Finland British win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Non Combat Move - British 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Finland to Norway 1 tactical_bomber moved from Finland to Norway 1 bomber moved from Finland to Norway 1 mech_infantry moved from Eire to United Kingdom 4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 1 transport moved from 82 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 74 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone 3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State 5 infantry moved from Eastern India to Burma 1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone Place Units - British 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa 1 fighter placed in 113 Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 23 PUs; end with 24 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 27 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 3 infantry placed in Eastern India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 8 PUs; end with 10 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 3 infantry Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 94 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 113 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0.33 Americans regular : -0.50 Japanese regular : 0.00 Germans regular : -0.83 British regular : 2.33 -
Please use latest map with UK CRU moved from z94 to z113
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You realise that subs can traverse the Gibraltar strait regardless of ownership?
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Hold on, can I add another attack?
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@simon33 said in Ghostglider (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+12) PtV:
Hold on, can I add another attack?
4 ftr can reach SZ117.
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@simon33 said in Ghostglider (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+12) PtV:
You realise that subs can traverse the Gibraltar strait regardless of ownership?
On this point, I am assuming you are sacrificing the transports because the German bombers can also do the job.
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I am OK with my setup, thanks
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@ghostglider said in Ghostglider (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+12) PtV:
I am OK with my setup, thanks
What about the attack I want to add to SZ117?
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Please feel free to add extra attacks as you like
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4ftr [dice 4d6]
1cv [dice 1d6]
1cru [dice 1d6] -
4d6: 6, 5, 4, 2
1d6: 1
1d6: 2 -
Assuming you will dent the CV, still going to continue in spite of the bad roll
[dice 2d6]
CV [dice 1d6]
Cru [dice 1d6] -
2d6: 1, 2
1d6: 2
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 factory_minor, 5 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 101 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Malta 2 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Kursk Italians take Kursk from Russians 1 armour moved from Iraq to Southern Caucasus Italians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies Italians take Southern Caucasus from Russians 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Southern Persia Italians take Southern Persia from British 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone Combat - Italians Battle in 93 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 submarine Americans defend with 2 transports 2 transports owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone Italians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Americans: 2 transports Battle in Malta Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield and 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Malta, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 aaGun owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malta Italians win, taking Malta from British with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry Battle in Morocco Italians attack with 2 artilleries and 5 infantry British defend with 1 armour; Americans defend with 1 aaGun and 3 infantry Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 5 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 1.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 3 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits 1 aaGun owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Morocco Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 5 infantry in Morocco, round 3 : 1/7 hits, 1.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Morocco, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Morocco Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Morocco, round 4 : 2/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Morocco, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Morocco Italians win, taking Morocco from Americans with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11 Casualties for Americans: 1 aaGun and 3 infantry Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Italians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Southern Italy: 3 fighters EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Romania: 1 fighter EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 117 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 1 cruiser EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 3 infantry moved from Syria to Iraq 1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 2 infantry moved from Crete to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 83 Sea Zone to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine Place Units - Italians 1 submarine placed in 97 Sea Zone 1 factory_minor placed in Iraq 5 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 43 PUs Objective Italians 3 North Africa Control: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 51 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.50 Italians regular : 0.67 British regular : -0.33 -
TripleA Turn Summary: French round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 65 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Queensland to 27 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Queensland to Wake Island 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia 1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone Turn Complete - FrenchCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Nice income for Italy!
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@ghostglider said in Ghostglider (Allies) vs Simon33 (Axis+12) PtV:
Nice income for Italy!
The aborted sea lion may have been a massive help for the Axis. Thought it would be a setback.
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 5
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0
Game History
Round: 5 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries and 16 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour moved from Ukraine to Kursk Germans take Rostov from Russians 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Archangel Germans take Archangel from Russians 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Denmark 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to 118 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Vyborg to 118 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to 118 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 3 transports moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Denmark 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 116 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 116 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway Combat - Germans Germans creates battle in territory 128 Sea ZoneCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Scramble to Normandy, Denmark or Norway?
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Scramble to Normandy only thanks
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