L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3

@axis-dominion said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

I agree with the rule you presented. It’s crystal clear. There’s however also this rule:

“Although they don’t have an attack value and aren’t represented on the battle strip, carriers can still participate in an attack and can take hits, as long at least 1 unit with an attack value attacks along with them.”

Correct. That would be applicable for the case when a carrier is engaged in combat. However, in this case I have chosen to ignore the sub. No combat occurs, and so that rule is not applicable.

But again, here it isn’t entering the sea zone to attack, but rather to escort the transport, since its mere presence as a warship allows it to ignore the sub.

@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

I think you’re right. Fucking rules.

May I move away my subs since they’re completely fucking useless?

Well the sub rolled for convoy and missed. But ok I’ll allow it since you didn’t understand the rules. Go for it.

@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

Thanks, would’ve cancelled the convoy disruption if there hadn’t be any. Only reason I put it there was to prevent a landing. Sigh.

If there had been any…

Sounds good, I understand. Go for it.

@axis-dominion sounds like you got it figured out correctly but one other point is that subs don’t make a sea zone hostile.

@ksmckay said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@axis-dominion sounds like you got it figured out correctly but one other point is that subs don’t make a sea zone hostile.

Yea, unless at least one plane could scramble, then that sub couldn’t be ignored.

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 21

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 21

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 3 destroyers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        EDIT: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 15 carriers, 2 cruisers, 13 destroyers, 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 2 marines, 20 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 19 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Midway to Hawaiian Islands
        EDIT: 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland

    Combat - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Celebes from Japanese to ANZAC
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 8 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from New South Wales to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        2 aaGuns and 7 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 mech_infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States

    Place Units - ANZAC
        3 destroyers placed in 62 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from 62 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 62 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Changing PUs for ANZAC from 0 to 1
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 15 PUs; end with 16 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 22 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Scotland

    Turn Complete - French

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@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@axis-dominion said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

I think you’re right. Fucking rules.

May I move away my subs since they’re completely fucking useless?

Well the sub rolled for convoy and missed. But ok I’ll allow it since you didn’t understand the rules. Go for it.

Question. Now I used the subs for the Med, but since that was pointless, would you allow them to have moved somewhere else? They started in z81. Like z80 is an option, atleast for one of them.

sure go for it. edit and let me know when ready to go

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 21

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 21

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 3 destroyers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        EDIT: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 15 carriers, 2 cruisers, 13 destroyers, 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 2 marines, 20 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 19 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Midway to Hawaiian Islands
        EDIT: 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland

    Combat - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Celebes from Japanese to ANZAC
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 8 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from New South Wales to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        2 aaGuns and 7 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 mech_infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States

    Place Units - ANZAC
        3 destroyers placed in 62 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from 62 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 62 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Changing PUs for ANZAC from 0 to 1
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 15 PUs; end with 16 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 22 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Scotland

    Turn Complete - French
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 81 Sea Zone: 2 submarines
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 80 Sea Zone: 2 submarines
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@axis-dominion said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@ksmckay said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

@axis-dominion sounds like you got it figured out correctly but one other point is that subs don’t make a sea zone hostile.

Yea, unless at least one plane could scramble, then that sub couldn’t be ignored.

But the plane would actually have to scramble, right?

right

@trulpen said in L20 A-QF axis-dominion (X) vs trulpen (A+25) BM3:

The Med is lost. They might do some use to the east. I don’t know. Feel kind of crushed atm. G may go.

yup. med is forever lost to the axis. and probably Atlantic too at this point. maybe even pac ;)

@trulpen but hey, you are quite strong on land!!!

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 22

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 22

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Vologda
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Vologda
        1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Vologda
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        1 artillery moved from Rostov to Tambov
        1 artillery moved from Rostov to Tambov
        1 artillery moved from Rostov to Bryansk
        1 bomber moved from Szechwan to Tambov
        1 bomber moved from West India to Tambov
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Greece to 98 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Greece to 98 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
        1 artillery moved from Morocco to Rio de Oro
              Germans take Rio de Oro from Americans
        1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Crete
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Crete
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Crete
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Crete

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Algeria
        Battle in Crete
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Crete, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 infantry in Crete, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the British lost in Crete
            Germans win, taking Algeria from French, taking Crete from British with 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in Bryansk
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bryansk, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bryansk
            Germans win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
        Battle in Tambov
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 bombers
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 bombers in Tambov, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Tambov
            Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 2 artilleries and 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in 98 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Vologda
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
            Germans win, taking Vologda from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 artillery moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        9 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Rostov to Turkey
        6 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Greece to Turkey
        4 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Turkey
        2 fighters moved from Crete to Turkey
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Crete to Turkey
        3 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to Turkey
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Turkey
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Turkey
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Turkey
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Turkey
        1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        2 bombers moved from Tambov to Belarus
        1 artillery moved from Rostov to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        3 armour moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Afghanistan to Eastern Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Sikang to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Vologda to Yugoslavia

    Place Units - Germans
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Ukraine: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Ukraine: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
        1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Yugoslavia
        Germans undo move 3.
        Germans undo move 2.
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Yugoslavia
        1 submarine placed in 110 Sea Zone
        3 fighters placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 60 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.33
Germans regular : -1.33
British regular : -1.00

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 22

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 22

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Samara to Novosibirsk
              Russians take Novosibirsk from Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
        20 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        10 artilleries moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Samara to Vologda
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Samara to Tambov
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Rostov
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Smolensk
        1 artillery moved from Samara to Tambov
        1 infantry moved from Samara to Tambov
        1 artillery moved from Samara to Vologda
        2 infantry moved from Samara to Vologda
        1 artillery moved from Samara to Tambov

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Bryansk
            Russians attack with 10 artilleries and 20 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 10 artilleries and 20 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 9/30 hits, 8,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bryansk
            Russians win, taking Bryansk from Germans with 10 artilleries and 19 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        Battle in Tambov
            Russians attack with 3 artilleries and 4 infantry
            Germans defend with 2 artilleries
                Russians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 4 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries in Tambov, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Tambov
            Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 3 artilleries and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries
        Battle in Rostov
            Russians attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Rostov, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
            Russians win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for Russians: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Smolensk
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 artillery
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Smolensk, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk
            Russians win, taking Smolensk from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
        Battle in Vologda
            Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
                Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda
            Russians win, taking Vologda from Germans with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Russia
        1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Russia
        2 aaGuns moved from Russia to Bryansk
        3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        7 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Samara
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        1 aaGun moved from Samara to Vologda
        1 aaGun moved from Samara to Tambov

    Place Units - Russians
        5 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Trigger Russians 5 Persia Lend Lease Lane War With Japan: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 16 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0,67
Germans regular : 1,67
Russians regular : -0,33

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