PTV Adam514 (Axis+4) vs simon33 (Allies)

Adam514

@simon33 You get 1 hit and I win the battle, damaging BB.

Adam514

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simon33

@adam514
I’m a little confused. Should the BB be in SZ115?

Can you explain what happened a little bit?

I will push ahead with USSR though.

simon33

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 armour, 6 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 submarine moved from 130 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Karelia to Vyborg
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Leningrad
        3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Vologda
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vologda to Leningrad
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Yaroslavl
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Stalingrad to Gorky
        1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus
        3 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
        2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Siberia
        3 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha

    Place Units - Russians
        3 artilleries placed in Siberia
        1 armour placed in Urals
        3 artilleries placed in Leningrad
        2 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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But refer above.

Adam514

@simon33 Euh no, I continued the fight in sz113. Not sure what you mean?

simon33

@adam514 At the start of the NCM there are a whole swag of edits. What are these for? Did you forget the scramble to SZ113 and then need to edit, but then that doesn’t explain why SZ109 was edited? Or France?

Adam514

@simon33 No, game crashed so I reloaded from the scramble order file, and didn’t bother scrambling what was already rolled. France was also already rolled.

Adam514

@adam514 said in PTV Adam514 (Axis+4) vs simon33 (Allies):

@simon33 Can’t seem to post the map anymore (map crashed as well), perhaps due to the update to the forum. Dice for sz109 (you won) and the first round of sz113 carry over (5 hits vs 3 hits). I will roll the remainder of sz113 on the forum.

Attacker: 2 figs 2 tacs 1 BB

Defender: 2 figs

See above.

Adam514

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 infantry and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Politics - Japanese
        Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With French
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow
              Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
              Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi
        1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi
        1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
              Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi
              Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Shansi
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shansi, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi
            Japanese win, taking Shansi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yunnan
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
            Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
        1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 20 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 21 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to 7 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Marshall Islands
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands
        1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Formosa to Caroline Islands
        1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 battleship moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Korea to 37 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Kwangsi
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shansi to Jehol
        1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi

    Place Units - Japanese
        4 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs
        Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 43 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : 1.83

Savegame

simon33

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 transport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter moved from 11 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 destroyer moved from 27 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 27 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 11 Sea Zone to Eastern United States
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
        1 marine moved from Western United States to Central United States
        1 infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
        1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western United States
        1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 carrier placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Eastern United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
        1 fighter and 4 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Yunnan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 4 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 2/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 5 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
            Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in Kweichow
            Chinese attack with 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Kweichow, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow
            Chinese win, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Hopei to Szechwan
        2 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Tsinghai
        3 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Tsinghai
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan

    Place Units - Chinese
        4 infantry placed in Szechwan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 15 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 113 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 100 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 98 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        British creates battle in territory 109 Sea Zone
        Battle in 113 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
            Germans defend with 1 battleship
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 113 Sea Zone
            British win, taking 109 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 battleship and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
        Battle in 98 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Alexandria to 100 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 100 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 100 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 82 Sea Zone to Southern Persia
              British take Southern Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
        1 infantry moved from Western India to Baluchistan
        1 transport moved from 40 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Malaya to 38 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Sumatra
              UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch
        1 destroyer moved from 40 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
        3 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Burma
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to Eastern India
        1 battleship moved from 132 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 38 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Davao to Wake Island
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
        1 bomber moved from 113 Sea Zone to French Equatorial Africa
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Syria
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Algeria
        EDIT: 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 109 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 90 Sea Zone to British Guiana
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 73 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Eastern India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.83
Italians regular : -0.33
Japanese regular : -2.00
Germans regular : 0.33
British regular : 1.33

Savegame

Adam514

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Politics - Italians
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Algeria
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Algeria
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Algeria
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
              Italians take Alexandria from British
        1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
              Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
              Italians take Kenya from British

    Combat - Italians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

Adam514

@simon33 Scramble Algeria?

simon33

@adam514 said in PTV Adam514 (Axis+4) vs simon33 (Allies):

@simon33 Scramble Algeria?

Interesting, I thought that attack was sufficiently dodgy that you wouldn’t attempt it. No scramble to Algeria, need the plane for the sea battle.

Adam514

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.0.0

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Politics - Italians
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Algeria
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Algeria
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Algeria
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
              Italians take Alexandria from British
        1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
              Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
              Italians take Kenya from British

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 1.17

Savegame

Adam514

@simon33 There’s the German 2nd wave if ever it doesn’t end on the first battle.

4 hits total, OOL?

simon33

@adam514 Slightly above average then, yeah sink DD, CV and a Cruiser.

simon33

Next round sink the Cruiser first then tac and ftr.

simon33

That should be all.

simon33

Actually, hold if you haven’t done it yet.

simon33

Go ahead with previously advised OOL.

PTV Adam514 (Axis+4) vs simon33 (Allies)

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

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