Motorized Infantry

Hi Manstein,

Cool stuff. Thanks for sharing:+1:

Hey guys this is just my idea on elite infantry. Also check out my forum on a simple way to add troop quality to the game here: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/34219/infantry-idea. Anyways, here’s how I think elite infantry should work:

they are a separate unit they are available to all countries Attack 3, Defend 3, Cost 4 When attacking they get a preemptive and any hit they get defend at one less
What do you think?

I very much like the overall idea. I think you’re doling out too many infantry in too many different places, and the effect will be disruptive to players’ strategies and will require a lot of bookkeeping.

I would cut the bonuses roughly in half, and apply them to only a handful of specific countries that are relatively easier to remember. I would also limit the bonus to territories that start the game in enemy hands, so you don’t get weird see-saw effects as ownership changes hands.

I like the idea of having Paris yield bonus units rather than ‘re-igniting’ the French economy.

JAPAN

India – 5 infantry
French Indo-China – 1 infantry
Western US – 1 infantry

GERMANY

Ukraine – 2 infantry
Baltic States – 1 infantry

ITALY

Egypt – 2 infantry

USSR

Yugoslavia – 2 infantry
Romania – 1 infantry
Manchuria – 1 infantry

UK

Poland – 2 infantry
Norway – 1 infantry
Holland/Belgium – 1 infantry

USA

Paris – 3 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 fighter
Southern Italy – 2 infantry
Okinawa – 1 infantry

Well, it could add some interesting flavor to the endgame, but if you’re down to two territories, then you’re not purchasing much of anything anyway, so there won’t be much tactical difference.

One of the strongest two-territory combinations is Moscow + Caucasus, which are often worth about 12 IPCs. So, instead of 4 regular infantry, you buy 6 citizen-soldiers…but they’ll defend roughly as well. 6 hit points and 6 defensive pips vs. 4 hit points and 8 defensive pips? It’s kind of a wash.

Even if you get the design of the citizen-soldier unit right, having the rule kick in when you’re down to only a couple of territories doesn’t quite satisfy the itch I’ve got, which is to punish countries that repeatedly over-produce infantry. The idea is that if you pour out the blood of your armies like water, well, then, eventually you run out of blood! But with the two-territory rule, you could build nothing but tanks and fighters the whole game, symbolizing your anxious concern to avoid risking any more lives than you absolutely have to – and then still wind up “running out” of infantry in the endgame when your enemies push you back to your capital.

There’s nothing wrong with designing custom units, and in fact I think your citizen-soldier unit is quite well-balanced, but I don’t think the “manpower tracking” problem can be solved with any kind or kinds of custom units. It’s just not that sort of problem.

ossel, in 1 of my games I do have Light infrantry. There is a cap on how many per country and the A and D is lower than Reg. infrantry.

I will have to look at rule again if your interested in values. I’m guessing there like ( D12 )  A 1, D 2, M 1, C 2.

Think of every tt with an IPC value as having an infantry “depot”. The limit raised per turn based on the IPC value is reasonable.

But in the long term (and I’m thinking in particular of WWI) the number of men of fighting age available in any area is limited. WWI would not have gone on indefinitely; each side would simply have run out of men. Furthermore, the more you try to recruit in a particular area, the quality of troops raised decreases, and resistance to conscription grows.

Also consider depots as infantry training centres; a unit recruited there receives basic training, say the equivalent of a 1-1 infantry unit.

Leave it there another turn and it improves to a 1-2 unit, or you might use the turn to train it as storm troopers, paratroopers etc. You have to decide on the value of properly trained units against the immediate need for troops at the front, even if they’re just raw recruits to soak up hits.

A further refinement is to indicate the nationality of a depot; some nationalities will fight for more than one side, for example Romanian units might be raised by Germany or Russia depending on who controls Bucharest.

Units starting the game can be assumed to be fully trained, those raised from scratch start as raw. You can even consider some casualties to be wounded, and needing to be sent back to the depots for recuperation.

I am gonna post a new version of mine using KISS. I think it is too complicated.

but i will do that in a new thread :-D

@MistaBiggs:

Not sure what u mean – please elaborate…

any terr. has a certain amount of Population loyal to the government it started the game under, and that is the limit to non-IC inf production……