L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16)

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  • Amon-SulA

    but what about the Mongolian dudes? Can Russia pick them up and when? and how? and what about the Mongolian treaty? is it changed in some way?

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  • Pejon_88P
    '23 '22

    @Amon-Sul I think the Mongolians only ally themselves with Soviets if they are at war with Japan :D :D

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  • Amon-SulA

    so u want to say, if and when russia declares war to japan, mongolian dudes become russian?

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  • Amon-SulA

    @Pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

    @Amon-Sul Wow you are crazy :D

    thanks, i love this game :)

    i am crazy, but this is also a strategy dont underestimate it ;)

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  • Pejon_88P
    '23 '22

    @Amon-Sul Soviet-Mongolian Defense Pact: Due to their mutual border conflict with Japan in 1939, the Soviet Union and Mongolia have a special relationship. The Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and Buyant-Uhaa) will never become pro-Axis unless one or more of them is attacked by the Soviet Union. Also, if Japan attacks any Soviet-controlled territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory, all Mongolian territories that are still strict neutral or pro-Allies, or have joined the Allies as a result of a failed Japanese attack, are placed under the control of the Soviet Union at the end of Japan’s Conduct Combat phase. This is done in the same manner as though the Soviet Union had moved land units into a friendly neutral territory (see “Friendly Neutrals,” page 10). These territories have Soviet control markers placed on them, and their standing army units are placed on the board using Soviet pieces and are controlled by the Soviet Union player from then on. This occurs regardless of the state of relations between the Soviet Union and Japan at the time of the attack, with one exception: If the Soviet Union attacks Korea or any Japan-controlled territory bordering these Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still a strict neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union.

    Think it is as usual, that they will become Soviet if Japan attacks any bordering territory only.

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  • Pejon_88P
    '23 '22

    @Amon-Sul I will not, but have not seen it. I can understand how it might be beneficial :)

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  • Pejon_88P
    '23 '22

    TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
              ANZAC take Sumatra from Dutch
        1 fighter moved from Java to India
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
        1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
              ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 21 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 24 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 27 PUs

    Politics - French
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Chile
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Argentina
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Venezuela
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Sweden
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Switzerland
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Spain
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Portugal
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Turkey
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Saudi Arabia
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Afghanistan
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Mozambique
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Angola
        Trigger French Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Olgiy
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Dzavhan
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Tsagaan Olom
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Central Mongolia
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Buyant-Uhaa
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Ulaanbaatar
        French takes Political Action: Political Action French To War With Japanese
            French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
            French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
        1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Savegame

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  • Pejon_88P
    '23 '22

    TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

    Game History

    Round: 2

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
              ANZAC take Sumatra from Dutch
        1 fighter moved from Java to India
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
        1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
              ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 21 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 24 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 27 PUs

    Politics - French
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Chile
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Argentina
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Venezuela
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Sweden
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Switzerland
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Spain
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Portugal
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Turkey
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Saudi Arabia
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Afghanistan
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Mozambique
        Trigger French Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Angola
        Trigger French Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Olgiy
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Dzavhan
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Tsagaan Olom
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Central Mongolia
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Buyant-Uhaa
        Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Ulaanbaatar
        French takes Political Action: Political Action French To War With Japanese
            French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
            French succeeds on action: Political Action French To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
        1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by French from Trans-Jordan: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by French to Egypt: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Savegame

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  • Amon-SulA

    @Pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

    @Amon-Sul Soviet-Mongolian Defense Pact: Due to their mutual border conflict with Japan in 1939, the Soviet Union and Mongolia have a special relationship. The Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and Buyant-Uhaa) will never become pro-Axis unless one or more of them is attacked by the Soviet Union. Also, if Japan attacks any Soviet-controlled territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory, all Mongolian territories that are still strict neutral or pro-Allies, or have joined the Allies as a result of a failed Japanese attack, are placed under the control of the Soviet Union at the end of Japan’s Conduct Combat phase. This is done in the same manner as though the Soviet Union had moved land units into a friendly neutral territory (see “Friendly Neutrals,” page 10). These territories have Soviet control markers placed on them, and their standing army units are placed on the board using Soviet pieces and are controlled by the Soviet Union player from then on. This occurs regardless of the state of relations between the Soviet Union and Japan at the time of the attack, with one exception: If the Soviet Union attacks Korea or any Japan-controlled territory bordering these Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still a strict neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union.

    Think it is as usual, that they will become Soviet if Japan attacks any bordering territory only.

    Well,

    thats great for me :)

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  • Amon-SulA

    but i am not sure, since if U go to politics map U can see Mongolians are pro allied to Allies.

    Once Russia joins allies, i think Russia can pick those inf up, just like any other pro-allied dudes.

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  • Amon-SulA

    ok, i ve tried to play it in local mode.

    Even when Germany declared war to Russia, Russia still couldnt take the mongolian dudes.

    But when Russia declared war to Japan, it could.

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  • Amon-SulA

    Now i tried not to declare war to Russia with Germany.

    Its the same.

    Russia can move into Mongolia and take the inf if it declared war to Japan first.

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  • Amon-SulA

    @gamerman01
    @JDOW

    Can U help us with a rule issue so we can be sure, since triple a isnt always right.

    If Germany and Italy attack the True Neutrals, is Mongolia pro allied? And if so , does Russia has to declare war to Japan first to pick up those guys?

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  • Amon-SulA

    @Pejon_88

    I ve just tried in triple a to move russians into turkey and NW Persia, if not at war with Germany, and it cant move there.

    So it seems U were right about that.

    I just want to be sure about this Mongolian dudes.

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  • Amon-SulA

    i forgot to move the sub from sz 106

    i ll do it in ncm

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  • Amon-SulA

    TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

    Game History

    Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Gibraltar
              Germans take Gibraltar from British
        1 armour moved from Greece to Northwest Persia
              Germans take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
        2 armour moved from Greece to Iraq
        1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Alexandria to Iraq
        1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 105 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Norway to Sweden
        1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Finland to Sweden
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Sweden
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Sweden
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 105 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Iraq

    Combat - Germans
        Germans creates battle in territory 106 Sea Zone
        Battle in Iraq
            Germans attack with 2 armour, 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in Iraq, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 armour owned by the Germans, 1 artillery owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Germans win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Germans: 2 armour
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in Sweden
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Sweden, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Sweden, round 2 : 2/14 hits, 3.83 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 6 infantry in Sweden, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Sweden
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Sweden, round 3 : 6/13 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 4 infantry in Sweden, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 4 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Sweden
            Germans win, taking Sweden from Neutral_True with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 8 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_True: 6 infantry
        Battle in 106 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            1 submarine owned by the Germans submerged
        Battle in 105 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 105 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 105 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the British lost in 105 Sea Zone
            Germans winBritish winBritish win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport remaining with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport remaining, taking 105 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 106 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 121 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        4 infantry moved from Greece to Turkey
        3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 105 Sea Zone to France
        1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
        1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
        1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to France
        1 armour moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sweden to Western Germany
        1 aaGun moved from Norway to Sweden
        3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        10 artilleries moved from Germany to Poland
        1 aaGun moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary
        1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Iraq to Turkey
        2 bombers moved from Iraq to Greece

    Place Units - Germans
        1 airfield and 1 factory_minor placed in Greece
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
        1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 53 PUs
        Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Greece: 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : -1.83
Neutral_True regular : -1.33
British regular : 0.83

    Savegame

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  • Amon-SulA

    I hope U find this game fun and interesting.

    cheers

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  • G
    2025 2024 '23 '22 '15 '11 '10 Official Q&A Moderator

    Hi guys - responding to Amon’s question about Mongolia.

    If the Axis attack a true neutral, Mongolia goes pro-allied like any other true neutral. Russia does not have to declare war on Japan, but the allies would have to move in to claim the infantry same as Afghanistan, for example.

    https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/20494/mongolia-and-neutrals-rules-summarized-here

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  • wheatbeerW
    '17

    @gamerman01 I worry that your answer might be misleading.

    It’s true that Russia doesn’t need to declare war on Japan for the Allies to claim pro-Allied infantry in Mongolia … but I think Amon-Sul might have been asking about Russian options specifically.

    Russia does need to be in a state of war with Japan for Russia to enter pro-Allied Mongolia due to theatre-specific neutrality.

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  • Pejon_88P
    '23 '22

    @Amon-Sul Haha yes very :)

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